LYMAN Bullet Mould: .314 Diameter - #314299

[84mmcarl-gustav]

Hi,i would like to know if somebody use this mold,sized to .309-.310,and used in a 308 rifle.and what is the minimum left on the groove after sizing.thanks for your input.

[Jack Stanley]

My 314299 only casts at .3125" . I have sized it to .3094 for use in a 30-06 and it has lots of room for lube . Using a healthy charge of IMR 4831 I can get about 2300 feet per second without leading .

Jack

[runfiverun]

if your buying a new one [shrug] who knows what your getting.
it could be 300 or 302 310 or 311 or??

it's supposed to be 314x304 mine makes 304 on the nose and sizes to 313 easy enough.
but it ain't close to new.

either way if you happen to get one that needs sized down on the body too much you can fill the lube grooves first then size.
aaand just because it needs that, the nose might still be 300 or not maybe sort of it depends.

[leadhead]

If your real smart, you'll buy one from NOE. You can take it to the bank
what size you order, that's what it will be...
Denny

[longbow]

My Lyman 314299 also cast undersize... at least with WW. It cast at 0.312"+.

Are you asking because you have the mould? If so then by all means size down and try it though the nose may be large.

If you are buying a new one then Lyman has the 311299 but as R5R said you never know what you are getting now from Lyman. NOE makes clones of both the 311299 and 314299 and they cast right on.

I now use the NOE 316299 for my Lee Enfields in .303 British. Excellent bullet and the mould casts exactly to spec. with WW.

Longbow

[Scharfschuetze]

I use the 314299 in my 30/40 Krag. It has a .310 bore so I size the 314299 to .313" for good accuracy from my GI Krag-Jorgenson.

I agree with Longbow that the 314299 nose might be too large a diameter for a proper .308" bore. The Lyman 311299 or the NOE clone of it might be a better choice.

[MT Chambers]

Molds 311299 and 314299 from Lyman are a real crapshoot as to size, these bore riders need you to really nail down the dia. at the grooves and the bore riding portion as well.

[Yodogsandman]

The Lyman 314299 that I have casts at .314"X.302". I have a coffee can full that I sized to .310" and I did it without any lube at all, in one pass. The bands don't show any distortions. These were cast in 2000 and I found that the Hornady gas checks had sprung out to .318" since.

[lotech]

I've used a #314299 for a long time; originally bought it to make bullets for a couple of British .303s. As-cast diameter is .314" (or maybe a little more) from WW alloy. I figured such bullets wouldn't shoot accurately when sized to .310" or .311", but tried it anyway. I've gotten vey good accuracy with both diameters, but .311" is slightly better in most rifles. This has become my favorite .30 caliber bullet and I use it in .30-40, .308, and .30-06.

Even after sizing to .310", lube grooves hold adequate lubricant. I often though the #311299 might make a better bullet as it would require far less sizing, but was afraid a mould might be undersized and never bought one. The #314299 is a fat bullet with a large nose (may be why it shoots so well) and requires deep seating in a case like the .308; bullet base is below case neck when seated. This has caused no problems and has no effect on accuracy, contrary to the speculation of others.

I'm unfamiliar with NOE moulds, though they may be fine ones. However, my #314299 works very well. I had one cavity hollow-pointed several years ago by Erik Ohlen. Point of impact and accuracy were unchanged in comparison with the standard bullet.

[Scharfschuetze]

I should add to my original post that the XXX299 by Lyman or NOE is my favorite design for military rifles.

I currently have the Lyman 311299, 314299 and the NOE 316299. Depending on which rifle and its bore size, I have the option of selecting the size that fits. If could only have one design for 30 and 31 calibre rifles, this would be it.

Shown next to these 314299 boots (on the right) is the Lyman 311332. It usually gets the nod for use in my M1 Garands. Both shoot well to very long ranges.

[oldblinddog]

What powder are you using in the .30-06 with the 311332? I have the NOE version. I tried IMR 4198 in a Remington 700 but haven't had much chance to work with it.

Thanks

[Scharfschuetze]

What powder are you using in the .30-06 with the 311332? I have the NOE version. I tried IMR 4198 in a Remington 700 but haven't had much chance to work with it.

Thanks

Because I use it in the M1 Garand and need port pressure near the muzzle, I'm using a medium speed powder. It's a surplus European stick powder that was given to me. It came from broken down FN 30/06 rounds and I have a lifetime supply of it. I hate to call it 4895 or 4064 because it's in between those to powders in its characteristics.

That "in between" powder works well for me, but if I didn't have it, I'd use H or IMR 4895 behind the 311332 or the very similar 311334.

Another powder that works very well under these boolits is SR 4759 if you have any of that around. SR 4759 has a burn speed very close to your 4198 and often charges can be interchanged. The SR 4759 is very bulky and leaves less air space in the case which can be an advantage.

[oldblinddog]

I have 7 lbs. of SR 4759. I've been saving it for the "load that really needs it" since I probably won't get any more, and trying IMR 4198 first for that reason. This may be the one, however, I also have a '91 carbine 7.65x53 that may need it more.

[Scharfschuetze]

I have 7 lbs. of SR 4759. I've been saving it for the "load that really needs it" since I probably won't get any more, and trying IMR 4198 first for that reason. This may be the one, however, I also have a '91 carbine 7.65x53 that may need it more.

Not to drift too far of the original thread, let me say the 4759 is my absolute best powder using the 314299 in the 7.65 Mauser.

5 and 10 shots at 50 yards. It hold its cone of fire to MOA to several hundred yards on a calm day. It will do this day in and day out from my M91 Argentine rifles.

[oldblinddog]

Thanks!

[swheeler]

The Lyman 314299 that I have casts at .314"X.302". I have a coffee can full that I sized to .310" and I did it without any lube at all, in one pass. The bands don't show any distortions. These were cast in 2000 and I found that the Hornady gas checks had sprung out to .318" since.

Pretty common when their checks aren't annealed before sizing and storing ammo for long periods of time.

[swheeler]

Not to drift too far of the original thread, let me say the 4759 is my absolute best powder using the 314299 in the 7.65 Mauser.

5 and 10 shots at 50 yards. It hold its cone of fire to MOA to several hundred yards on a calm day. It will do this day in and day out from my M91 Argentine rifles.

50 yards! five shot groups What would LG think! 4759 in the Arg, hum probably about 19 grains huh.

[Scharfschuetze]

Deleted. Double post for some reason.

[Scharfschuetze]

Close Swheeler. It's actually 21.5 grains of 4759 for 1,800 fps over the chronograph.

The load will hold 4 to 5" at 300 yards and will hit steel E type silhouettes out to 500 yards with boring regularity on calm days. That long 314299 (BC of .377 according to Lyman) bucks the wind better than most cast boolits and the military rear sight allows for some very long range shooting once you establish the zeros for it.

At 500 yards, my sight's elevation setting on the 1891 rifle with this load is either 1,300 meters or 1,400 meters depending on the light, altitude, temperature, etc. That's quite a difference from my 7.62 NATO match load (168 grain SMK at 2550 fps) which needs only needs 12 MOA from 100 yards to 500 yards compared to the apx. 60 MOA needed with the cast boolit load in the 1891.

What would LG think!

LG... who's that and should I care?

[swheeler]

That 7.65 cartridge is a sweetheart and the 91 Rifle is slick. I would like to find a Winchester Model 54 chambered in it.