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Thread: DIY paper shot cup to replace plastic wad?

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    I would not use paper as a replacement for special steel shot wads, which are much tougher than the common wads used for lead shot, you will scar your barrel.

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    Another thought... the paper might tear as the payload leaves the cartridge and enters the forcing cone especially if using 2 3/4" hulls in a 3" chamber. If the paper tears then the steel shot could get to your barrel. I'd test with lead shot first then recover what's left of the paper tubes to see if you can determine if they shredded or tore. if they are layered and glued they should be pretty tough so a tear should show up.

    You can order bismuth shot from Will Bilozir in Alberta. He is a Canadian BPI distributor.

    You can also order Mylar and Teflon wraps and it might be a good idea to use Mylar or Telflon wraps inside your paper tube then if the tube does tear the wrap will contain the shot. Hmmm, Mylar and Teflon wraps are used with shot anyway so maybe easier and safer than using paper though not readily available. Now having said that if these wraps are safe with shot then even your paper tube shouldn't need a closed bottom as I first said.

    Testing should tell you anyway. Good plan.

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    Why are you not using std wads made for steel?

    http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Mul.../products/652/

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    Why are you not using std wads made for steel?

    http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Mul.../products/652/
    Yes, the question has been asked previously, with no reply.

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    how about shotcups made from plastic milk jugs, there is a fellow on here that is finding it works for pistol shot loads so it would just be a bigger cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    Why are you not using std wads made for steel?

    http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Mul.../products/652/
    Dont think they will work with brass shells to much blow by that is why I want to work with paper/cardboard

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancher1913 View Post
    how about shotcups made from plastic milk jugs, there is a fellow on here that is finding it works for pistol shot loads so it would just be a bigger cup.
    That is a great option for me to try as well thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbow View Post
    Another thought... the paper might tear as the payload leaves the cartridge and enters the forcing cone especially if using 2 3/4" hulls in a 3" chamber. If the paper tears then the steel shot could get to your barrel. I'd test with lead shot first then recover what's left of the paper tubes to see if you can determine if they shredded or tore. if they are layered and glued they should be pretty tough so a tear should show up.

    You can order bismuth shot from Will Bilozir in Alberta. He is a Canadian BPI distributor.

    You can also order Mylar and Teflon wraps and it might be a good idea to use Mylar or Telflon wraps inside your paper tube then if the tube does tear the wrap will contain the shot. Hmmm, Mylar and Teflon wraps are used with shot anyway so maybe easier and safer than using paper though not readily available. Now having said that if these wraps are safe with shot then even your paper tube shouldn't need a closed bottom as I first said.

    Testing should tell you anyway. Good plan.

    Longbow
    Testing with lead first may be the smartest way to go so if their is a failure at least I wont be doing any damage...
    theirs a reason I ask here first always get answers for things I did not think about doing or trying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survival Bill View Post
    Dont think they will work with brass shells to much blow by that is why I want to work with paper/cardboard
    Guys use them all the time with brass shell casings in cowboy action shooting.

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    As you're using brass hulls you're obviously also using, probably, a hard card and fiber cushion wad. Paper shot cups should work fine. I use them in all my BP, brass case loads. I would question whether or not they will protect your bore from the steel shot, not whether or not they will work as a shot cup.
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    Do you have Tetra pak type of cardboard pacs in the States? They have plastic or wax coated cardboard that might be suitable for this need.

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    I use plastic wads in brass shells, but, mine are 20ga.

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    I am in the process of loading some original brass 12 ga. shells with black powder. I have developed a pattern with 5 petals, made from file folder stock for a shot cup. I load the BP, an over powder card, then fiber cushion wad(s), the shot cup/shot, and cards to make the up the rest of the column height. I haven't shot any of these, but I don't see why this shouldn't work, the shot cup is between wads so should stay together. At least, I hope. Time will tell.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
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PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
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