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Thread: Terrible groups from my Marlin 1895GS, using IMR4198...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverboolit View Post
    Did you check your scope?? May have gone bad.
    Now it is...arrrgh. But I'll be posting 95% of todays range results.
    Been loading 6.5 CM for ELD, learning to load Mosin Nagant & .308/7.62x51
    Caster & CWW / Lead miner.
    Mountain Mold 45-70-405, 80% Meplat, sized .461" dia. for Marlin 1895GS
    Lyman mold #429421 "Elmer Keith" style 255gr, Dbl Cavity; [for .44 Mag, S&W 629, Alox lubed]
    Lyman #356402, 9mm, Sngl Cavity [for a friend]
    LEE #90282, 12ga Drive Key, 7/8oz Slug [for: Son's 3-Gun]
    LEE #90349, 452-255RF, 6 Cavity [for 45 Colt & 45 ACP; Alox lubed]
    LEE #90697, 453-200RF, ditto

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    You fellas had the right idear, speed'em up! It was foggy, 36 deg. & calm. (3rd week in January! I like global warming whilst I reside at elev. 535') Components did not change from orig. posting, except tried #12 target using factory Remington, 405gr, soft point. I found my scope was max'd "UP", so used elevation Hash Marks as noted; adjusted Windage once, 8 x 1/4 minute clicks starting with target #3.

    I see a nice range of loads that work for me. I can standardize @ maybe 36.5gr IMR4198 & probably not be too concerned about temperature effects on velocity. We'll see.

    Some scope element got loose, so while it's in the mail for R&R I'll install my ladder sight & see what I can accomplish standing (leaning) against the shooting bench. Now the real practice ( & fun) can commence. I'm curious how I can ultimately do with a "2 quick follow-up shots" scenario. I must say 38gr+ is in thumper territory.

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    Been loading 6.5 CM for ELD, learning to load Mosin Nagant & .308/7.62x51
    Caster & CWW / Lead miner.
    Mountain Mold 45-70-405, 80% Meplat, sized .461" dia. for Marlin 1895GS
    Lyman mold #429421 "Elmer Keith" style 255gr, Dbl Cavity; [for .44 Mag, S&W 629, Alox lubed]
    Lyman #356402, 9mm, Sngl Cavity [for a friend]
    LEE #90282, 12ga Drive Key, 7/8oz Slug [for: Son's 3-Gun]
    LEE #90349, 452-255RF, 6 Cavity [for 45 Colt & 45 ACP; Alox lubed]
    LEE #90697, 453-200RF, ditto

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    It was suggested my home brew boolits may vary too much in weight & I should weigh & segregate them. Here's a sampling of my 405's after wiping Xlox from the nose.
    Been loading 6.5 CM for ELD, learning to load Mosin Nagant & .308/7.62x51
    Caster & CWW / Lead miner.
    Mountain Mold 45-70-405, 80% Meplat, sized .461" dia. for Marlin 1895GS
    Lyman mold #429421 "Elmer Keith" style 255gr, Dbl Cavity; [for .44 Mag, S&W 629, Alox lubed]
    Lyman #356402, 9mm, Sngl Cavity [for a friend]
    LEE #90282, 12ga Drive Key, 7/8oz Slug [for: Son's 3-Gun]
    LEE #90349, 452-255RF, 6 Cavity [for 45 Colt & 45 ACP; Alox lubed]
    LEE #90697, 453-200RF, ditto

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    It was suggested my home brew boolits may vary too much in weight & I should weigh & segregate them. Here's a sampling of my 405's after wiping Xlox from the nose.

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    Here's a tally of 32 I was handling: (while listening to the Steelers lose like the Packers just did...arrrgh)
    401gr - 1 = 3.2%
    402gr -10 = 31.2%
    403gr - 9 = 28.1%
    404gr - 9 = 28.1%
    405gr - 3 = 9.4%
    If I'm inclined to "load" only the 402gr-405gr castings, that's only a .5% variation in weight & 87% of 'production'. I have NO idea what .5% variance in weight means to you bench shooters, but seems most acceptable to me & my purposes. An interesting endeavor nonetheless.

    Update:
    I then weighed the 50 remaining pills I had, with results similar to above. Then I chucked the 405's into my bench top drill press & machined the bottom with edge of a chisel 'till it fell into 404gr territory. The light ones went into the "remelt" can.

    Sent in my Vortex Crossfire II scope & should receive another by next Wed. This wkend I'll be calibrating my "M-95 LONG RANGE SIGHT, 3/8" Dovetail" ladder sight with another set of 'test loads' from 36.5gr-38.5gr IMR4198. Now to see what I can do without optics.
    Last edited by Walstr; 01-25-2017 at 03:12 AM. Reason: Added an update.
    Been loading 6.5 CM for ELD, learning to load Mosin Nagant & .308/7.62x51
    Caster & CWW / Lead miner.
    Mountain Mold 45-70-405, 80% Meplat, sized .461" dia. for Marlin 1895GS
    Lyman mold #429421 "Elmer Keith" style 255gr, Dbl Cavity; [for .44 Mag, S&W 629, Alox lubed]
    Lyman #356402, 9mm, Sngl Cavity [for a friend]
    LEE #90282, 12ga Drive Key, 7/8oz Slug [for: Son's 3-Gun]
    LEE #90349, 452-255RF, 6 Cavity [for 45 Colt & 45 ACP; Alox lubed]
    LEE #90697, 453-200RF, ditto

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    NOT, you will not see anything at all.
    Beware of max scope adjustments. The closer to center on a scope the better. Bases need changed or shimmed to prevent scope damage. Yes, you can kill a scope run to limits.
    To shoot long range with my 45-70 rifle I machined a tapered base.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
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