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    Regardless of the youtube videos that have now educated every criminal with Internet access how exactly to get into people's gun safes. (Thanks jerks) I would say they are a good detergent to your average thief who doesn't carry a grinder with him, keeps your kids safe, and some times helps with insurance if they are stolen or burned in a fire. For what it's worth I've been eye balling that safe at costco and plan on buying one. They used to have a winchester brand the same size that was nice too but I like the door organizer on the brand they carry now. I just wish availability wasn't so hit and miss at my store... they usually order 1 or 2 and they go pretty quick. At 500 lbs I'm not sure where I would put it in my house... Def not something I'd want to move often.

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    Thoughts on a new safe?

    If you needed a video to know how to pry or cut open a safe you are pretty dumb. A safe buys you time. Even the best ones can be broken into w/ enough time. If you're trying to prevent smash and grabs the cheap ones work. If you want real protection you have to pay. This is a case of you get what you pay for, w/ the right brand. Often times you pay to much for what you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragon813gt View Post
    If you needed a video to know how to pry or cut open a safe you are pretty dumb. A safe buys you time. Even the best ones can be broken into w/ enough time. If you're trying to prevent smash and grabs the cheap ones work. If you want real protection you have to pay. This is a case of you get what you pay for, w/ the right brand. Often times you pay to much for what you get.
    Most of your average thiefs are pretty dumb and oportunistic... and I work with 1000s of non mechanical people the simple **** they can't even think of acomplishing on their own makes me feel ashured there are plenty of thieves that didn't know how to get into a gun safe before those movies... most would smash and grab your t.v. laptop and money under the matresses and get out of your house asap.

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    The truly enterprising thieves come prepared, not to open it in the house but to take it with them. make sure its bolted down securly and solidly. Fill any gaps with wood or channel iron so heavy pry bars cant be inserted to work it loose from its mounting. Rigidity and weight are a good thing. The true pros will take it with them and open it at thier liesure afterwards.

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    Mine is setting over a lamented beam in the basement. Guess what will happen if it is moved any........Only one side and the front exposed to my sisters house next door. Shes a noisy old biddy..

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    P.S. It weights 1550 empty.. Weeeeeeeeee...................

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    Get a cheap safe and a really expensive security system. Around here, they take the whole safe anyway. Heavy or bolted down just means it takes more of em to rip out your floor/wall and take it.
    Response time is 28 minutes (which I tested out just 3 weeks ago on an unrelated matter), so you need something to be loud and noisy and take LOTS of pictures.

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    While reading these posts I thought about my arrangement. Got my guns in a safe but all my casting, reloading gear, components, ammo etc. are sitting out in the open. Figuring the cost of that gear approaches what I have locked in the safe. Guess if you are going to be burgled there in no practical way to protect everything. Maybe investing in a very loud burglar alarm might be a good option.

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    I think that many people do not understand about gunsafes. Their prime purpose is to keep the casual interloper away from your firearms. All this talk about angle grinders and the like are pointless. And if there are thieves that can carry a 40 gun cabinet that is even half full, my advice is to let them. If someone has determined they are going to steal your firearms then your firearms will be stolen. No fancy tools, just knock on your door and when you answer it, kick it in and fetch you one on the crust with a crowbar. Then they threaten your family unless you hand over the keys, job done.

    And what of the would be home defender? Don't want your life preserver in a quick access cabinet? How do you organise your family during sleep periods, watch rotas? Although the kids might not be trusted to stay awake and you are so vulnerable when you're asleep. I could comment upon the idea of 45/70 for home defence which is fine if you want to blast a hole through the next three homes in case the burglar's mates are in those places too.

    An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so solid doors and windows with a viewing port is a good start. Paranoia will ruin your life and will rarely save it as it's irrational. Face facts, not fantasy.
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    I looked at the safes at Costco, I left them there and went and got a Liberty "fatboy Jr.", other than being to small I'm quite pleased with it.
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    If people want in your safe, they are going to get in it. It was long ago, but went to a shooting spot with a friend. There was a safe laying in the weeds, the concrete still around the bolts thru the bottom of it. They could not get the door open, eneded up cutting a hole in the bottom and got what they could, dumped it in the woods. Dont remember the brand, but looked like a fairly substantial one.

    The average home use safe will keep run of the mill thieves out. They rarely want to spend the time trying to get in. I know I have the tools in the garage to cut mine open. But not gonna get a safe to keep my tools in. A 40 gun safe is really 20 or less. That 40 gun rating is for 40 H&R single shots. Remove the bolts from bolt guns might work, but a scope and its 2 or 3 slots. Pistol grip 3 slots. Use any of the shelves and cut that number in half.

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    I'd still like to get an old Coke machine, gut it, and turn it into an incognito rifle safe. Leave it stock on the outside.
    May not be fire proof, but most will not want to steal it.

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    I just purchased a 40 gun stack on at Sam's Club today. I have been wanting a safe for awhile, but just never pulled the trigger (always just bought another rifle or revolver). My wife had spotted this one in the store several weeks back, and I checked it out a couple weeks back. I thought $600 was a little high. She noticed this morning it was one of the 1 day only items and $500. I thought what the heck I better go take another look. Get in the store and they only have the display left. First two associates said they didn't think they could sell the display, but I stayed persistent and they finally called the supervisor out. Supervisor determined it was a one time item checked the inventory and said this would be the last one they get and that displays get sold at a 20% discount. I asked if the discount was applied to the sale price and surprisingly got a yes. $433 OTD made my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim1836 View Post
    I'd still like to get an old Coke machine, gut it, and turn it into an incognito rifle safe. Leave it stock on the outside.
    May not be fire proof, but most will not want to steal it.

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    A few years ago there was a thread about homemade "low profile" safes. One was an old refrigerator hogged out and reinforced With a simple hasp and padlock. Not all that hard to break into but the idea was not to make it look like a safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mica_Hiebert View Post
    Regardless of the youtube videos that have now educated every criminal with Internet access how exactly to get into people's gun safes. (Thanks jerks) I would say they are a good detergent to your average thief who doesn't carry a grinder with him, keeps your kids safe, and some times helps with insurance if they are stolen or burned in a fire. For what it's worth I've been eye balling that safe at costco and plan on buying one. They used to have a winchester brand the same size that was nice too but I like the door organizer on the brand they carry now. I just wish availability wasn't so hit and miss at my store... they usually order 1 or 2 and they go pretty quick. At 500 lbs I'm not sure where I would put it in my house... Def not something I'd want to move often.
    You were eyeballing the same safe? That is encouraging. Perhaps I shall go for it. I don't really count on it for serious theft deterrent, moreso just for storage and safety from the average thief. It will be somewhat hidden as well.

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    What is the law in US regarding non lethal man traps. In SA they used to use a 24 hour knock out gas integrated into alarm systems and safes. It's quite funny to arrive on scene and find the perps having a little nap. Even funnier to watch them wake up behind bars dazed and confuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTech View Post
    What is the law in US regarding non lethal man traps. In SA they used to use a 24 hour knock out gas integrated into alarm systems and safes. It's quite funny to arrive on scene and find the perps having a little nap. Even funnier to watch them wake up behind bars dazed and confuses.
    They used to put knockout gas between studs walls of banks in the good old USA also, a friend of mine used to do this. He also installed some in his shop. Never heard of anyone try to break in his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTech View Post
    What is the law in US regarding non lethal man traps. In SA they used to use a 24 hour knock out gas integrated into alarm systems and safes. It's quite funny to arrive on scene and find the perps having a little nap. Even funnier to watch them wake up behind bars dazed and confuses.
    This really sounds suspect. It was probably in a movie or urban legand. What gas works to render people unconsciousness without killing some of them? For 24 hours?

    Anesthesiologists go to school for years in order to learn not to kill patients when they are anesthetized. In other words, it's very easy to do real damage when using a chemical to "knock" people out.

    Pepper spray will clear people out of an area pretty fast (e.g., Burglar bombs). This is what I'd use of I did not have an alarm system.

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    I'm not sure what point you want to make.

    In this lone example of knock out gas use, 120+ hostages were accidentally killed and hundreds of others were permanently impaired. This is not something a bank would ever add to their security toolbox as it is not safe, predictable or cost effective.

    Just for the record, you cannot hit people over the head to knock them out either without almost killing them. This is another movie thing.

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