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Thread: The saga of cast boolets in 222 Remington.

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    And the last pik to bore you with. The top 2 grooves appear to be crimping grooves. I have no idea if I would want to crimp this but it is nice to have an option. Even a very gentle crimp would hold this boolet in place...


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    Ok....all we need now is time...

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    and here is a .224 sized dummy round showing rifling marks on the nose...

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    Here is an unsized (.225) that has been chambered...note the rifling marks and the portion of the nose that is sized to barrel groove diameter. man this rifle has a tight throat... I wish Uncle Larry was still dogging....It would go with him for a good hard week....

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    Ok...

    Shot some groups with the new boolit and it shoots awful so far. Probably my fault as I was out of 45/45/10 and made a small amount "on the fly". I'm sure I had too much floor wax and too little alox. This was the only load that ever really leaded. But I will try again.

    But some good that day too. I used 2400 powder to load some Sierra 40 gr bullets at about 2000 fps. This load shot into a 30 caliber hole at 39 yards. this rifle will shoot!

    So I was thinking... I have some truncated cone 22 cast bullets that weigh 40 grains.... let's load some and try those too...

    It was almost dark when I got to my friend's place. He had some orange 'clay birds' set from 50 to about 90 yards. From just a table ( no bench set up) all misses were my fault. I got to shooting pieces of birds at 90 and hitting pretty good. This was the cast boolits- not the jacketed...

    Someone told me 2400 powder a few pages back...when will I learn to listen?

    I wish I had ordered that mold at .226 or .227 instead of .224...

    If work ever slows down ( they are working me to death...) I'll have more time.... This is getting fun now....

    Dale

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    And now another installment of our fun...

    remember to get your data from a real loading manual...we are not responsible for errors or goof ups...

    First picture is the 4 boolets we use.

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    40 grain Arsenal, 45 grain NOE, 52 grain NOE, and the 61 grain Arsenal 'Elvis'

    Some in this picture are sized and some are unsized. We are mostly concerned with the 52 grain NOE. These were cast of WW and air cooled. The only load I tried this time was 8 grains of 2400 powder and it shot horrible. "Too fast" Ray says. He's right too. This is my CZ...

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    Everything about me says this boolet will shoot. Next time I'll try 50/50 at about the speed of sound. Hopefully higher even....

    Ray shot 2 groups with the NOE 45 WFN and his 700 Varmint Special ...

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    I'm not sure either of us were 'on our game'.

    My rifle leaded horribly with the loads I had. ( Some 62 grainers loaded too hot also.) Each time Sierra 40 grainers were used to clean the lead out.

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    The very first shot from a leaded barrel is marked. The 2nd shot is toward the middle of the square and then the next 4 printed to the left. This load needs chronographed and tested in water jugs...

    Ray brought some Barnes 'Varminator' loads that we tried on both rifles

    the 700

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    and the CZ

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    maybe we will get our act together and do better...

    Remember to NOT use our data...use a real loading manual....

    Until next time.... Dale

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    I bought the NOE 225-45-WFB for use in my CZ-527 22 Hornet. However I haven't been able to get good castings from the mold yet. Wrinkled bolts with several different lead combinations after repeated mold cleaning. Best so far have been with reclaimed shot with 4% tin added run very hot, but still more wrinkles than desired.

    Any thoughts or suggestions about improving the quality out of this mold?

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    I run my mold fast and hot...it makes 3 perfect boolets each time ( see the picture a few posts back)... Even though it is a 22, it may be the best mold I have...

    You might try running the sprue plate loose. I do this and the sprue plate is so loose that gravity spins it around. The plate being so loose allows air to escape the mold so the cavities fill readily.

    Do you have the LUX version? I really like that rifle...


    edited to add....

    I don't know where my manners were but welcome to the madness!... I am very curious to see how your Hornet shoots. I don't need another cartridge but wow the Hornet is interesting....

    Dale
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    Wow, I just finished this thread! I love the devotion over the time. I would love to be able to say "yes, I reload 22. Just not the rimfire type"

    My humble contribution is about my 22 TCM rifle and a 37g NOE mould I got.

    The TCM is great for the 22LR equivalent. As of right now, I have 2 loads. 2.4g of unique gives me about 1200 fps out of my rifle and about 950 fps out of the pistol.

    This thread has inspired me to finish the stock and take that rifle back out for some groups!

    And Castalott, if you would like to try my 37g .225" Powder coated bullets, let me know. I would love to see what you CZ would make of them!

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    Hi boman 250! Why yes, I would like that. I'll PM you... Dale

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    boman 250 sent some samples...
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    It is the red one..the others you know...I will try to shoot some in the next few weeks... It looks good and hopefully will shoot well....

    I hope boman 250 will post to tell us about the mold and boolets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by castalott View Post
    boman 250 sent some samples...
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    It is the red one..the others you know...I will try to shoot some in the next few weeks... It looks good and hopefully will shoot well....

    I hope boman 250 will post to tell us about the mold and boolets...
    Glad they showed up.
    They are from an NOE mould. 37gr. Nothing special but they work good in my TCM.

    http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index....ic,2298.0.html

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    Who made the powder coat and how did you do it? They look really good....

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    Quote Originally Posted by castalott View Post
    Who made the powder coat and how did you do it? They look really good....
    It is harbor freight red. I powdercoated them. I believe they have 2 coats.

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    Castalot, I have to thank you once again for this thread. I've been wanting to build/buy some sort of CF .22 that I could cast for, preferably all the way from .22 short level up to varminator velocities (bobcat, coyote, etc.). You've reawakened my idea of a 5.7x28 on that little Rem. 580 action again. I have a hard time pulling the trigger on projects like these when I already have a number in the works in an on-going development stage. I don't know whether to thank you or curse you, but being a genuine bona-fide "gun nut," I can only thank you. I need some impetus to actually pull the trigger on projects like these. So .... THANKS!

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    Hi Blackwater! I'm talking a little bit thru my hat ( local saying meaning I have no idea what I'm talking about) but I've heard the 5.7 is hard to reload.... Just heard it ,mind you...

    Anyway...glad to see you posting again...

    If I could sway you any... buy a 1 in 9 223 so I could send some of those 61 grainers... Get the right twist and they might shoot real well about 1400 to 1500 fps...

    Dale
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    double post- I used to know how to type on the computer....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Castalot, I have to thank you once again for this thread. I've been wanting to build/buy some sort of CF .22 that I could cast for, preferably all the way from .22 short level up to varminator velocities (bobcat, coyote, etc.). You've reawakened my idea of a 5.7x28 on that little Rem. 580 action again. I have a hard time pulling the trigger on projects like these when I already have a number in the works in an on-going development stage. I don't know whether to thank you or curse you, but being a genuine bona-fide "gun nut," I can only thank you. I need some impetus to actually pull the trigger on projects like these. So .... THANKS!
    I actually looked hard at a 5.7. Ended up with the 22 TCM because it came in a 1911, which I like a lot, and brass can be fairly easily made from 556 brass. I make mine from 556 blanks I got for free.

    And like castalott says, I hear the 5.7 can be a real pain to reload and you don't get many firings from a case before it splits.

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    here is the 37 NOE loaded...

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    You can see the imprint of the rifling on the boolet...

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