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    MiHec H&G #50 HBWC 38/357

    This is a group buy for a .360 diameter hollow base/ nose pour modification of the popular Hensley & Gibbs #50 wadcutter bullet for 38 special.
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    Have sketched up a 146gr solid, ~128gr cone or dome HB cavity (identical HB cavity to the 358431, a HB version of the 358429)
    Added the cone design, I estimate it could have be driven a little faster with a wider margin of safety, and exhibit better bullet base fillout.

    I cannot stress enough a hollow base version is for gallery/ target loads only, and serves to better shoot point of aim, using less powder and lead.

    Either of the three configurations will give the shooter room to experiment for optimum accuracy with given firearm and powder selection .

    Benefits of a hollow base: Allows skirt to open for better obturation at lower pressures & gallery loads. Less lead, less powder, better accuracy.

    Benefits of a nose pour design:
    Base forms more consistently, and is protected from opening/closing of the sprue plate (gaps, tear outs, improper fill out, voids, dings) The nose of a bullet can take far more abuse than the base can, and more consistent bullet bases means more consistent group size.


    to order:
    please specify # of cavities, plain base or gas check, specific or all pins, with your disguised email.


    Sequence of events: Participants order molds and are placed on the list, the Group Buy will close (which will be posted on the thread) at some time determined by MiHec, the molds are made from the orders on the list at the time it is closed or by altering what you want via PM to MiHec after it's closed. Extra molds should be available... order them by PM to MiHec. Invoices will be sent out via e-mail from the listed addresses and you pay by using Paypal...... It is my understanding the invoice will be in Euros which Paypal converts from Euros to dollars. After you pay, the mold gets shipped.

    Prices

    2-cavity cramer HP, the price is $90 with one set of pins included plus $8 per extra pin set if wanted plus $15 shipping.

    4-cavity cramer HP, the price is $120 with one set of pins included plus $16 per extra pin set if wanted plus $20 shipping.

    Pins available: Dome, cone, and flat


    This buy needs 20 orders to get off the ground!


    Thank you for your interest
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    MiHec H&G #50 HBWC 38/357

    Orders:

    1. Stubach - 4-cav w/ all pins Tryandstopthisox at gmail dot com
    2. fjruple - 4 cav w/ all pins fjruple at comcast dot net
    3. Cast bullet doc- 4 cav w/ all pins doctorgaryo at g mail dotcom
    4. Dpmsman - 4 cav w/ all pins jstahlconstruction At yahoo DOT com
    5. osteodoc08 - 4 cav w/ all pins tom garcia 15 at yahoooo dott comm
    6. PbHurler - 4 cav w/ all pins denneyr AT sbc globalll DOTTT nettt
    7. Sgt Petro - 4 cav w/ all pins aaronPeTroski AT ggmmaaiill dot com
    8. rintinglen - # cav w/ cone pins Ghoglin at hotmail dot com (need cavity #)
    9. Jeff Houck- 2 cav w/ all pins rayleneandjeffatcableonedotnet
    10. tward - 2 cavity w/ all pins. tward91574 at aol.com
    11. Wayne Dobbs - 4 cavity w/ flat pins wayne dot dobbs at yahoo dot com
    12. RedHawk357Mag - 4 cavity w/ all pins
    Redhawk357mag (at) gmail (dot) com
    13. Lagamor - 4 cavity w/ all pins cjsteineker(@)gmail(.)com
    14. Fthomp- 4 cavity w all pins frankedwardthompson (at) gmail (dot) com
    15. Loudy13 - 4 cavity w all pins tftcsl (at) yahoo (dot) com
    16. Paul_R - 4 cavity w/ all pins pjriss (at) yahoo (dot) com
    17. georgerkahn - 2 cavity w/ all pins kahngr (at) potsdam (dot) edu
    18. silverjay - 4 cavity w/ flat and dome pins silverjay7 (at) gmail (dot) com
    19. labguy - 4 cavity w/ all pins lcel (at) hotmail (dot) come
    20. GLL - 2 cavity w/ dome pins gllewis (at) pasadena (dot) edu
    21. Plan_IX - 4 cavity w/ all pins webb (at) teamwebb (dot) net
    22. Renego - 2 cavity w/ cone pins Renegado at twc dot com
    23. flyin brian - 4 cavity w/ all pins hotelbroker at gmail dot com
    24. 2wheelduke - 4 cavity w/ all pins dukemarren *at* comcast (dot) net
    25. lup - 4 cavity w/ all pins Rstaab (at) panix (dot) com
    26. Nueces - 4 cavity w/ all pins mhkilgore...at...mac...decimal...com
    27. sargenv- 4 cavity w/ cone pins - sargenv at gmail dot com
    28.
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    MiHec H&G #50 HBWC 38/357

    I'm in for one. Glad to see it go active. Shot through more of my Remington factory HB wad cutters over the weekend and forgot how nice the shoot. Can't wait to make my own.

    4-cav all pins

    Tryandstopthisox at gmail dot com


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    I have been using this design for years. I would like one four cavity brass in .360 with all pins for each of the hollow base design.

    My email address is fjruple at comcast dot net.

    Thanks for putting this buy group together.

    --fjruple

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    Thanks, Z!

    Two cavity with all pins, please. jeff DOT richard DOTT young ATT gmail DOTTT com
    A box of premium carry ammo is too expensive at about $30, so I've spent $1,000 on molds, lead, lube, primers, and powder over the past 10 years to make some that's cheaper!

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    I'll take a 4 cavity with all the pins.
    email address is jstahlconstruction At yahoo DOT com

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    4 cavity all pins please

    tom garcia 15 at yahoooo dott comm

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    I need one of these to round things out.

    (1) 4 cavity all pins

    denneyr AT sbc globalll DOTTT nettt
    Bob

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    Updated, prices should be coming up soon.

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    I would like to know what materiel the mold is made from. Brass or Aluminum?
    Pax Nobiscum Dan (Crash) Corrigan

    Currently casting, reloading and shooting: 223 Rem, 6.5x55 Sweede, 30 Carbine, 30-06, 30-30 WCF, 7.62x39, 327 Fed Mag, 303 Brit., 32WS, 7.92x57, 38 Spcl, 357 Mag, ,380 ACP. 9x19, 38-55 Win, 41 Mag, 44 Spcl., 44 Mag, 45 Colt, 45 ACP, 457 RB for ROA and 50-90 Sharps.

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    Molds are brass with Cramer pins, 2 & 4 cavity. Waiting for mihec to confirm prices. (Should be same prices as other buys)

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    4 cavity. All pins. Plain base.

    aaronPeTroski AT ggmmaaiill.com

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    If it ends up that I'm the only one asking for 2 cavity, I would be happy with 4 cavity.

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    Bump for more interest


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    Big update, folks!

    Prices are set, thank you for your interest and PM's

    ~z

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    Z, please change my order from "all pins" to "two sets of the cone pins." I may need to experiment some with the pins. Thanks!

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    No love for the HB wadcutters anymore I guess?


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    Agreed, I'd like to see this go forward after the activity in the discussion thread. I think it may have had something to do with long response times from miha, if at all for any and all group buys.

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    Here's for hoping we can get this back up and running with him. The #50 is an amazing design (have an original 4cav) but a HB Cramer pin one would be a nice update to my collection.

    I also wonder if the lack of interest has to do with the lack of commercial wadcutters in the marketplace? I haven't seen a wadcutters for sale in a long time (excluding vintage ammo sales).

    As for Miha's responses I'm curious if he plans to do the same thing Al at NOE did and move his development forums to his own site. I noticed he does have a forum spot but nothing has been started yet. He also has a spot specifically designated for 45 2.1 to post?


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