358 Winchester

[Blammer]

Yep, brainstorming, well basically rehashing old ideas.

Was dragging my 35 Rem out the other day and also was thinking about trying to trade into a 35 Rem levergun....

Discovered what I already knew but didn't realize HOW bad off or expensive 35 Rem ammo and brass had become. OUCH!

So, got to thinking about 358 Win. The more I thought about it the better is sounded.

35 Rem, no parent case, forming brass is difficult if not making it, then buying it is pricey. .80 per case NEW, IF you can find it. Ammo $30 for 20 rnds, if you can find it....

358 Win, parent case is 308. Even in times of derth, like as of recent, you can still find lots of 308 brass or ammo. Heck I think everone has at least a FEW 308 pcs of brass somewhere. Cheap, available and you can make it from the parent case.

Performance, well if you don't have any 35 Rem ammo, you have no performance.

Seriously, probably about the same.

Only draw back I see is there are not many rifles made for 358 Win. I think someone could remedy that, you listening Winchester? (probably not)

So why has the 358 Win not taken off? Seems like the perfect opportunity.

marlin levergun in 358 Win?

ruger bolt action in 358 Win?

I really like the idea of a 358 Win, I may just sell off all my 35 Rem stuff and build one. Heck prices are right!

[JWFilips]

The 358 Win Lost & forgotten! Just bad PR when it came out. & now It is a real cast boolit shooters dream!
Maybe some day it will come back but the way black guns & plastic are going now I doubt it...Just a different world then the one I live in!
& I'm sure glad I live in my world!!!
Jim

[Blammer]

just found out the marlin lever guns won't handle the 358 win pressures.

now to find a short action doner.. or a marlin xs7... and convert.

[cainttype]

Bolt guns get ran occasionally, but sales apparently aren't good enough to keep them steadily produced.
A 243, 7-08, or 308 (even 338 Federal) could be sent to JES and rebored easily. You can have many options on rifling preferences with rebores by JES.
The 356 Winchester is basically a 358 Win with a rim. Both Winchester and Marlin made lever actions chambered in it. The COL is a bit shorter in the levers IIRC.

[jaysouth]

I had a CVA Hunter single shot in .35 Rem. for the same reasons that you enumerate, I rechambered it for .358 Win.

I keep the cast loads to 1,800 fps for a 200 gr. RCBS FN. Works great. 7 grs. Bullseye under a 158 cast bullet is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Blammer: the gun to look for is a Browning BLR. They are made in 358 Winchester.

The guns are pretty cool as well. They also come in a Takedown version as well as a Light Weight, Stainless, and with Strait or Pistol grip stocks..

Here's a nice used early one on GB for $675 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...=545275286#PIC

Here's several new ones on GB http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx...ng+BLR+358+win

Have a look.

Randy

[KLR]

just found out the marlin lever guns won't handle the 358 win pressures.

now to find a short action doner.. or a marlin xs7... and convert.

https://www.cdnnsports.com/marlin-xs...synthetic.html

[Blammer]

Sweet! now all I gotta do is sell my 444 marlin....

[MarkP]

Why it has not taken off ---- If you read the loading manuals they usually put in the adder; "subject to of course some range limitations". Same with the 350 Rem Mag which by the way is nearly identical to the 250 Savage in terms of trajectory. AKA 250-3000.

Pointy tips with ultra high advertised BC's seems to be what sells these days.

If you look at the older Ackley books 35 cal was a vey popular wildcat caliber in the 1950's.

[wrench man]

Your only valid complaint on the 35 Remington is the $.80 per shell NEW, it's available, saw three bags of NEW Hornady on the shelf this afternoon and at the other end of the shelf were enough SPEER 180 and 220 and Sierra 200 grn bullets to fill them all up twice.
If you think $30 for 20 rounds of 35 Remington is expensive you haven't looked for 358 Winchester yet?
308 brass?, not a single one do I own, I could see how 243 brass might neck up??

I'll keep my Marlin 336 35 Remington, and my Marlin 336 356 Winchester that's right beside it in the safe.
(and my 444)

[Mk42gunner]

Why the .358Winchester didn't take off, (in my opinion).

Reason number one, it somehow got labeled as a brush cartridge, making people think it is only good to a hundred or so yards.

For some silly reason the average American hunter thinks he needs a rifle that is capable of knocking a bull elk on his keister with a round somewhere in the vicinity at 700 yards; even if the average whitetail in his area weighs 150# on the hoof and his normal shot is 90 yards.

Reason number two, when loaded to its potential with j-words, it kicks too much.

I have shot or seen shot a lot of rifles along with teaching a lot of sailors to shoot; and I really think the .308, in a normal weight rifle, is at the upper limits of what a healthy reasonably fit individual can shoot accurately without a bit of practice. I think the .30-06 with factory 180's is above the limit, but none of the "I'm a real man, recoil doesn't bother me" types will admit this.


Funny thing is, the same people that suggest you need a .397 Megakick to successfully hunt anything larger than a cottontail will turn right around and say a .243 or .257 Roberts is a good ladies or kids gun.

Sorry I seem to have ranted a bit, but the .358 is a good cartridge. If I had been casting for rifles when I built my .35 Whelen, it probably would have been a .358.

Robert

[Artful]

just found out the marlin lever guns won't handle the 358 win pressures.

now to find a short action doner.. or a marlin xs7... and convert.

Why short action - are you trying to save weight?

[Blammer]

well I suppose you could use a long action.

but my son tends to work a short action better.

[06ackley]

Another option is to look for a Ruger 77 Hawkeye in 358.I have one and it is scary accurate with everything I have fed it.In fact its what I used to take the bear in my avatar.

[Clay M]

The only .358 win I ever owned was a Savage 99. Like so many other guns ,I traded it for something I wanted more.
I guess the only gun currently being made for the .358 is the BLR.

[oldcanadice]

358 on a short action bolt is great.

With a good barrel 225gr Sierra at 2500+ is under-minute accurate and will range out there as far as I ever care to shoot at living stuff. Lead of any kind is good and plain fun to shoot. I really like my 308, but my 358 is my staple and fun-gun to shoot.

It will kick you with top-end loads, but who cares. It's one heck of an easier gun to shoot than a 7mm mag.

[ironhead7544]

The Model 88 in 358 was made to replace the Model 71 in 348. It didnt work out.

When the 88 came along, levers were on the way out. The 88 was really a bolt action with a lever to work it. That still did not save it.

I had an 88 in 358 years ago. You can easily make 358 cases from 308 brass. You can make light practice loads with 38 cal bullets.

Elmer Keith said the 358 with the 250 gr load was good for any North American big game out to 225 yards.

[Uncle Grinch]

I had E.R Shaw build a 358 Win on a military FN short action 1922 Mauser action many years ago. It's a great deer rifle and cast boolit gun.

[pietro]

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I like the K.I.S.S. method .................................

FWIW, a forum sponsor here (IIRC), "Grumpa", makes/sells .35 Remington brass.


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[Artful]

well I suppose you could use a long action.

but my son tends to work a short action better.

I have a Savage 99 and
I'm going with a Winchester long action for my bolt gun in 358 because some the the molds for heavy weights are really long
when you seat so the gascheck is at the shoulder/neck junction.