That's kinda what I was thinking, Montana Charlie, but sure sounds interesting. I suspected it was a fine-tune technique because all I've used are veggie wads. Need to take a look at LDPE wads. I like the looks of a bench mounted unit as well, not much interested in subjecting my elbows to whacking a punch.
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the BACO cornell wad press punch is superb, you'll love it.Originally Posted by TXGunNut
The Cornell wad punches are really nice.
If you are shooting grease grooved bullets just start with a single 0.060" LDPE wad, or a single 0.060" veg fiber wad. In almost every case you'll need nothing else. When shooting bore diameter paper patched bullets you can get into some funky wad stacks depending on what you are doing. Even with PP bullets you don't always need something complex.
In my grease groove .45-90 rifle I only use more than one wad as the rifle weighs about 11 lbs and I don't need any more velocity or recoil so I added the extra wads. That's a pretty light Rifle for 1300+ fps with a heavy bullet. My .45-90 paper patch rifle uses larger powder charge, but it's more like 13 lbs.
I'd keep it as simple as possible.
Chris.
Another get one of the Cornell punches vote..
For grease groove bullets as Chris said most times a single .060 fiber wad is sufficient.
Paper patch can get a bit more involved depending on the accuracy level and type of shooting a person is doing.
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how so? Can't get any simpler than paper patches. Bullet, powder, wad. Simple as can be. Why you try to make it sound so hard is beyond me.
Single wad is fine for target,when wiping, grease cookies under hunting load need extra wad..But You knew that.
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I'm hoping to avoid paper patching at this point but will pursue it at another time, perhaps when I retire and have nothing better to do. I have three goals with this project; learn about the BPCR game, smack a certain steel buffalo and put some meat in the freezer. I figure this rifle can accomplish all three tasks, whether or not I can remains to be seen.
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indeed, a very fine rifle and caliber that's easily up to all three of yer wish list tasks.
the next big subjective questions concern the load and shooter.
TX I'm sure you'll achieve all 3 of your immediate goals in a short time.
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Maybe so, Don. I'm not in a hurry to do any of the three but sometimes priorities change. One thing for sure, it'll be an interesting ride.
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My BPCR partner shoots the BACO 535 Money bullet, 25:1, SPG, 72.5 gr Swiss 1.5, WLR, annealed Starline brass and one 0.060 veggie wad. Load consistently shoots 1 MOA to 500 meters and if my wind calls are better than average, the dispersion is less. Don't know if that is of any help to you but it is a data point.
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That's good info (and damned fine shooting!), neighbor. Thanks. I think that mould is on backorder but knowing BACO it will be available soon. I don't have much Swiss powder and it's all FFg or FFFg IIRC. Pretty sure I have OE and KIK in 1.5
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Use the Swiss 2f. It will get the job done just fine.
I have a Shiloh Sharps Montana Roughrider chambered for the 45-90. I have never tried to work up a target load for it as that is covered by a Shiloh #1 Sporter in 40-70. For the better part of 12 years the 45-90 was the only rifle I hunted with. I ended up with an NEI mold which throws a bullet of 480 grains and the best description I can give would be to think of an elongated Keith Type semi-wadcutter. If I remember correctly the meplat is 35 cal. I load it over 80 grs. of Ffg Schuetzen with one .020 card wad. It shoots about 3 inches at 200 yards with a Browning tang sight like came on the BPCR Hunter modified to fit the Shiloh tang bolt spacing. I 've never shot it beyond that distance. To say that load and that bullet is devastating on game is gross understatement. Might check into the mold.
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Finally got the old girl to the range to day. Too many toys, too little time.Almost didn't have any brass, old brass was too swollen from my other 45-90's generous chamber to chamber in the C-Sharps. My 45-70 sizer wouldn't reach down far enough to iron it out so I dug out my last 19 new pieces of brass. Sized & lubed some 457193's early this morning and seated them over a good bit of KIK 1.5Fg powder and a .060 veggie and went out to do a bit of fireforming. Buddy brought his sizing die to the range. I brought my portable press and now I have a bunch more cases to fireform.
New-to-me Sharps didn't take much to get on paper. Load needs some work but my goal for the day was to acquaint myself with the rifle, get the sights close and fireform some brass. Chamber looks really good on this rifle; case mouths seal nicely and leade is pretty short. I'll fireform the rest of the cases next trip before moving on to the 457125 boolits.
Yep, I'm still grinning. Been awhile since I touched off a case full of Holy Black. Too long.
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Loaded up 30 rounds (FL sized brass) and fireformed them today. Used up some more of that KIK powder and 405 boolits. Original sight is probably only good for 300 yards or so, ordered a Shaver LR sight and more brass from BACO today. Looks like I'll be needing powder soon, thinking OE. KIK powder not looking especially promising in this rifle/round and I'm running a bit low. Shooting buddy has a bunch of OE, thinking FFg.
Thought I'd backordered the 535M3 Money mould awhile back, couldn't tell. I'll start working with the 457125 next weekend, suspect it will work just fine for now.
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if you are going to order new powder, don't waste your money. Buy some Swiss 1.5 and get on with it. If you can't get it to shoot with that powder, you can't get it to shoot with any powder.
+2 .... swiss 1.5f - nothing better.
He has some Swiss. Torn between FFg and 1 1/2Fg. I have a little over a pound of Swiss FFg. I'm about five weeks out so running out of time.
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Sorry I did not go back and read the start of this again.....But! Brent is right. If you are trying to ready a rifle to shoot a match, especially a first match, Get a supply of the same lot of powder. Make it Swiss. Because, just as Brent said.
If everything else is up to the task, the powder will put them in the smallest group of any powder choice, right off the bat, and then you can play with a grain up or down from there and refine the load.
Either grade, 1.5 F or 2F will be about the same to start.
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