Venison and GMO corn

[oldblinddog]

Anytime sources are quoted, there's a fair to middlin' chance those sources may have something to gain from pushing their info or statistics which is also oft times cherry picked to produce the desired effect.

The same can be said about every link or source cited for non-GMO. The point is that there has developed a niche market for "organic" foods and also non-GMO crops and this is still a place where a farm or business can do what is best for them. If a farm grows organic crops that does not make him/her/them virtuous. And, if an agri-business company like Monsanto develops GMO seed in an effort to help feed the people of the world, it is not evil because it is attempting to gain a positive return on investment. You people act like profit, the same thing the organic farmer is trying to do, is evil if it made in a way you don't approve. Or maybe it is because it is too much and that makes it unfair. This is no more than the same thing that liberals do when they try to block Walmart from coming to "their" town because it puts their high priced mom and pop stores under stress from increased competition. Sam Walton was nothing but a 5 and dime in Arkansas that became successful, the same thing the other mom and pop stores in the liberal states would do if they could. They don't because they don't have the brains to succeed evidently. Their only recourse is to try to block competition politically, something that is antithetical to everything this country stands for and principles upon which it was founded. You people, by describing your imagined enemy as evil, solely motivated by gross profits, are engaging in the same thing. Or, maybe you are just blindly following along behind someone with an axe to grind (or profit to be made). It reminds me of the ignorant masses that blindly follow Al Sharpton every time he shows up at another tragedy to race bait. You certainly are not looking at the available evidence that might give you any inkling of insight into the issue. Do you think that all the people that Monsanto (and other GMO producers, Monsanto is not the only one) employs are evil and interested in nothing but profit? They believe in what they are doing just as much as organic farmers and seed producers do. Open your minds and look at all the evidence available. Do you believe in climate change? If so, do you believe it is man caused? Think about this: climate change and organic farming are usually promoted by the same group of people. What do they want to control? Why, the whole world of course! Their goal is world socialism. Just like the propaganda they are teaching in our schools, this so called controversy about GMO crops is just another tool in their quest. Don't be manipulated by failing to get all of the facts before you make up your mind.

Freedom from government, the free market, and an open mind are the only solution. Otherwise we will be living in caves again in another generation.

[jcwit]

Some thought provoking info for you folks.

~http://www3.forbes.com/investing/the-richest-person-in-every-state/22/

Seed genetics entrepreneur Harry Stine has built the richest fortune in Iowa on a small farm outside of Des Moines. Stine grew up the son of a hardscrabble farmer and began dabbling in seed breeding in the 1960s. Dyslexic and mildly autistic, but a savant with math and data, Stine quietly built some of the most genetically robust and highest-yielding soybean seeds in the industry. He was one of the first to patent the genetics of the soybean in the early 1990s and, as a savvy businessman and formidable negotiator, landed lucrative deals licensing the genetics to industry heavyweights like Monsanto and DuPont. Stine Seed still reaps millions annually from these contracts. It develops corn genetics and biotechnology traits for the seed industry as well.



Harry Stine’s current passion project is starting to take root with corn growers and could revolutionize the corn industry: seeds bred to thrive when they are densely planted, dramatically increasing farmers’ harvests. A farm-boy born with an entrepreneurial bug, he owns a small home a couple hundred yards from work and drives a Ford F-150 to the Stine Seed headquarters, where his four children work as well. He’s an avid table tennis player and enjoys hunting morel mushrooms

[oldblinddog]

What the left wants:

http://youtu.be/hQvsf2MUKRQ

and then:

http://youtu.be/FQXAqP6ReqY

I know these are hard to understand, the quality of the recording, etc., but please give it a listen. This is where planned parenthood came from [http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm]. The left does not care if the people of Africa/Asia die of starvation. They have an agenda and it is not what they tell you down at the organic health food store.

http://youtu.be/IaH0Ws8RtSc

http://youtu.be/Vwfir3jh1V4

[JWFilips]

I would rather eat the deer then anything I can buy in a store

[oldblinddog]

I would rather eat the deer then anything I can buy in a store

Me too!

[outdoorfan]

Actually http://www.agprofessional.com/agprofessional-magazine is a paid public relations firm that is contracted to cast their clients businesses and industry in a positive light with the consumer public.

"geneticliteracyproject" is run by Jon Entine. If you do a simple internet search you'll find that Jon Entine apparently has a history as a speaker for or on behalf of biotech.

Anytime sources are quoted, there's a fair to middlin' chance those sources may have something to gain from pushing their info or statistics which is also oft times cherry picked to produce the desired effect.

The only sources which can be believed are those who don't stand to benefit from their opinions and publications. Those kind of sources are very difficult to find on either side of an issue. Especially one where unimaginable profits are at stake.

Isn't that the truth! 3'd party testing is where I go to look where I can and if it exists. Too many "wolves in sheeps' clothing" with big corporate ties in the bunch.

[outdoorfan]

I would rather eat the deer then anything I can buy in a store

Hey, can't argue too much with that.

[outdoorfan]

The same can be said about every link or source cited for non-GMO. The point is that there has developed a niche market for "organic" foods and also non-GMO crops and this is still a place where a farm or business can do what is best for them. If a farm grows organic crops that does not make him/her/them virtuous. And, if an agri-business company like Monsanto develops GMO seed in an effort to help feed the people of the world, it is not evil because it is attempting to gain a positive return on investment. You people act like profit, the same thing the organic farmer is trying to do, is evil if it made in a way you don't approve. Or maybe it is because it is too much and that makes it unfair. This is no more than the same thing that liberals do when they try to block Walmart from coming to "their" town because it puts their high priced mom and pop stores under stress from increased competition. Sam Walton was nothing but a 5 and dime in Arkansas that became successful, the same thing the other mom and pop stores in the liberal states would do if they could. They don't because they don't have the brains to succeed evidently. Their only recourse is to try to block competition politically, something that is antithetical to everything this country stands for and principles upon which it was founded. You people, by describing your imagined enemy as evil, solely motivated by gross profits, are engaging in the same thing. Or, maybe you are just blindly following along behind someone with an axe to grind (or profit to be made). It reminds me of the ignorant masses that blindly follow Al Sharpton every time he shows up at another tragedy to race bait. You certainly are not looking at the available evidence that might give you any inkling of insight into the issue. Do you think that all the people that Monsanto (and other GMO producers, Monsanto is not the only one) employs are evil and interested in nothing but profit? They believe in what they are doing just as much as organic farmers and seed producers do. Open your minds and look at all the evidence available. Do you believe in climate change? If so, do you believe it is man caused? Think about this: climate change and organic farming are usually promoted by the same group of people. What do they want to control? Why, the whole world of course! Their goal is world socialism. Just like the propaganda they are teaching in our schools, this so called controversy about GMO crops is just another tool in their quest. Don't be manipulated by failing to get all of the facts before you make up your mind.

Freedom from government, the free market, and an open mind are the only solution. Otherwise we will be living in caves again in another generation.

Good post, and much of it I agree with.

I've seen local organic farms here (even by the Amish) that are being done for no other reason than to make a profit. They cut corners when they can, and their own beliefs on personal nutrition are not compatible with people are are eating organic foods to further their health.

Also, I've caught wind once or twice of substances that the (I think) FDA has allowed certified organic farms to use that are highly questionable at the least in terms of food safety to the people who will ultimately consume those foods.

[xdmalder]

Yeah I don't trust the organic label either. When I say organic I am most always talking about what I grow and I know what's been done with it.

[tonyjones]

USDA Certified Organic certification tells one two things that are useful to know, in my opinion. One is that the food is non GMO and the other is that chemical pesticides have not been used. The consumer is free to exercise their own judgement. TJ

[StolzerandSons]

§205.601 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic crop production.

In accordance with restrictions specified in this section, the following synthetic substances may be used in organic crop production: Provided, That, use of such substances do not contribute to contamination of crops, soil, or water. Substances allowed by this section, except disinfectants and sanitizers in paragraph (a) and those substances in paragraphs (c), (j), (k), and (l) of this section, may only be used when the provisions set forth in §205.206(a) through (d) prove insufficient to prevent or control the target pest.
(a) As algicide, disinfectants, and sanitizer, including irrigation system cleaning systems.
(1) Alcohols.
(i) Ethanol.
(ii) Isopropanol.
(2) Chlorine materials—For pre-harvest use, residual chlorine levels in the water in direct crop contact or as water from cleaning irrigation systems applied to soil must not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act, except that chlorine products may be used in edible sprout production according to EPA label directions.
(i) Calcium hypochlorite.
(ii) Chlorine dioxide.
(iii) Sodium hypochlorite.
(3) Copper sulfate—for use as an algicide in aquatic rice systems, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to those which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent.
(4) Hydrogen peroxide.
(5) Ozone gas—for use as an irrigation system cleaner only.
(6) Peracetic acid—for use in disinfecting equipment, seed, and asexually propagated planting material. Also permitted in hydrogen peroxide formulations as allowed in §205.601(a) at concentration of no more than 6% as indicated on the pesticide product label.
(7) Soap-based algicide/demossers.
(8) Sodium carbonate peroxyhydrate (CAS #-15630-89-4)—Federal law restricts the use of this substance in food crop production to approved food uses identified on the product label.
(b) As herbicides, weed barriers, as applicable.
(1) Herbicides, soap-based—for use in farmstead maintenance (roadways, ditches, right of ways, building perimeters) and ornamental crops.
(2) Mulches.
(i) Newspaper or other recycled paper, without glossy or colored inks.
(ii) Plastic mulch and covers (petroleum-based other than polyvinyl chloride (PVC)).
(iii) Biodegradable biobased mulch film as defined in §205.2. Must be produced without organisms or feedstock derived from excluded methods.
(c) As compost feedstocks—Newspapers or other recycled paper, without glossy or colored inks.
(d) As animal repellents—Soaps, ammonium—for use as a large animal repellant only, no contact with soil or edible portion of crop.
(e) As insecticides (including acaricides or mite control).
(1) Ammonium carbonate—for use as bait in insect traps only, no direct contact with crop or soil.
(2) Aqueous potassium silicate (CAS #-1312-76-1)—the silica, used in the manufacture of potassium silicate, must be sourced from naturally occurring sand.
(3) Boric acid—structural pest control, no direct contact with organic food or crops.
(4) Copper sulfate—for use as tadpole shrimp control in aquatic rice production, is limited to one application per field during any 24-month period. Application rates are limited to levels which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent.
(5) Elemental sulfur.
(6) Lime sulfur—including calcium polysulfide.
(7) Oils, horticultural—narrow range oils as dormant, suffocating, and summer oils.
(8) Soaps, insecticidal.
(9) Sticky traps/barriers.
(10) Sucrose octanoate esters (CAS #s—42922-74-7; 58064-47-4)—in accordance with approved labeling.
(f) As insect management. Pheromones.
(g) As rodenticides. Vitamin D3.
(h) As slug or snail bait. Ferric phosphate (CAS # 10045-86-0).
(i) As plant disease control.
(1) Aqueous potassium silicate (CAS #-1312-76-1)—the silica, used in the manufacture of potassium silicate, must be sourced from naturally occurring sand.
(2) Coppers, fixed—copper hydroxide, copper oxide, copper oxychloride, includes products exempted from EPA tolerance, Provided, That, copper-based materials must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides.
(3) Copper sulfate—Substance must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation of copper in the soil.
(4) Hydrated lime.
(5) Hydrogen peroxide.
(6) Lime sulfur.
(7) Oils, horticultural, narrow range oils as dormant, suffocating, and summer oils.
(8) Peracetic acid—for use to control fire blight bacteria. Also permitted in hydrogen peroxide formulations as allowed in §205.601(i) at concentration of no more than 6% as indicated on the pesticide product label.
(9) Potassium bicarbonate.
(10) Elemental sulfur.
(11) Streptomycin, for fire blight control in apples and pears only until October 21, 2014.
(12) Tetracycline, for fire blight control in apples and pears only until October 21, 2014.
(j) As plant or soil amendments.
(1) Aquatic plant extracts (other than hydrolyzed)—Extraction process is limited to the use of potassium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide; solvent amount used is limited to that amount necessary for extraction.
(2) Elemental sulfur.
(3) Humic acids—naturally occurring deposits, water and alkali extracts only.
(4) Lignin sulfonate—chelating agent, dust suppressant.
(5) Magnesium sulfate—allowed with a documented soil deficiency.
(6) Micronutrients—not to be used as a defoliant, herbicide, or desiccant. Those made from nitrates or chlorides are not allowed. Soil deficiency must be documented by testing.
(i) Soluble boron products.
(ii) Sulfates, carbonates, oxides, or silicates of zinc, copper, iron, manganese, molybdenum, selenium, and cobalt.
(7) Liquid fish products—can be pH adjusted with sulfuric, citric or phosphoric acid. The amount of acid used shall not exceed the minimum needed to lower the pH to 3.5.
(8) Vitamins, B1, C, and E.
(9) Sulfurous acid (CAS # 7782-99-2) for on-farm generation of substance utilizing 99% purity elemental sulfur per paragraph (j)(2) of this section.
(k) As plant growth regulators. Ethylene gas—for regulation of pineapple flowering.
(l) As floating agents in postharvest handling.
(1) Lignin sulfonate.
(2) Sodium silicate—for tree fruit and fiber processing.
(m) As synthetic inert ingredients as classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), for use with nonsynthetic substances or synthetic substances listed in this section and used as an active pesticide ingredient in accordance with any limitations on the use of such substances.
(1) EPA List 4—Inerts of Minimal Concern.
(2) EPA List 3—Inerts of unknown toxicity—for use only in passive pheromone dispensers.
(n) Seed preparations. Hydrogen chloride (CAS # 7647-01-0)—for delinting cotton seed for planting.
(o) As production aids. Microcrystalline cheesewax (CAS #'s 64742-42-3, 8009-03-08, and 8002-74-2)-for use in log grown mushroom production. Must be made without either ethylene-propylene co-polymer or synthetic colors.
(p)-(z) [Reserved]
[65 FR 80637, Dec. 21, 2000, as amended at 68 FR 61992, Oct. 31, 2003; 71 FR 53302 Sept. 11, 2006; 72 FR 69572, Dec. 10, 2007; 75 FR 38696, July 6, 2010; 75 FR 77524, Dec. 13, 2010; 77 FR 8092, Feb. 14, 2012; 77 FR 33298, June 6, 2012; 77 FR 45907, Aug. 2, 2012; 78 FR 31821, May 28, 2013; 79 FR 58663, Sept. 30, 2014]


§205.603 Synthetic substances allowed for use in organic livestock production.

In accordance with restrictions specified in this section the following synthetic substances may be used in organic livestock production:
(a) As disinfectants, sanitizer, and medical treatments as applicable.
(1) Alcohols.
(i) Ethanol-disinfectant and sanitizer only, prohibited as a feed additive.
(ii) Isopropanol-disinfectant only.
(2) Aspirin-approved for health care use to reduce inflammation.
(3) Atropine (CAS #-51-55-8)—federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the lawful written or oral order of a licensed veterinarian, in full compliance with the AMDUCA and 21 CFR part 530 of the Food and Drug Administration regulations. Also, for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires:
(i) Use by or on the lawful written order of a licensed veterinarian; and
(ii) A meat withdrawal period of at least 56 days after administering to livestock intended for slaughter; and a milk discard period of at least 12 days after administering to dairy animals.
(4) Biologics—Vaccines.
(5) Butorphanol (CAS #-42408-82-2)—federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the lawful written or oral order of a licensed veterinarian, in full compliance with the AMDUCA and 21 CFR part 530 of the Food and Drug Administration regulations. Also, for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires:
(i) Use by or on the lawful written order of a licensed veterinarian; and
(ii) A meat withdrawal period of at least 42 days after administering to livestock intended for slaughter; and a milk discard period of at least 8 days after administering to dairy animals.
(6) Chlorhexidine—Allowed for surgical procedures conducted by a veterinarian. Allowed for use as a teat dip when alternative germicidal agents and/or physical barriers have lost their effectiveness.
(7) Chlorine materials—disinfecting and sanitizing facilities and equipment. Residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act.
(i) Calcium hypochlorite.
(ii) Chlorine dioxide.
(iii) Sodium hypochlorite.
(8) Electrolytes—without antibiotics.
(9) Flunixin (CAS #-38677-85-9)—in accordance with approved labeling; except that for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires a withdrawal period of at least two-times that required by the FDA.
(10) Furosemide (CAS #-54-31-9)—in accordance with approved labeling; except that for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires a withdrawal period of at least two-times that required that required by the FDA.
(11) Glucose.
(12) Glycerin—Allowed as a livestock teat dip, must be produced through the hydrolysis of fats or oils.
(13) Hydrogen peroxide.
(14) Iodine.
(15) Magnesium hydroxide (CAS #-1309-42-8)—federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the lawful written or oral order of a licensed veterinarian, in full compliance with the AMDUCA and 21 CFR part 530 of the Food and Drug Administration regulations. Also, for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires use by or on the lawful written order of a licensed veterinarian.
(16) Magnesium sulfate.
(17) Oxytocin—use in postparturition therapeutic applications.
(18) Parasiticides—Prohibited in slaughter stock, allowed in emergency treatment for dairy and breeder stock when organic system plan-approved preventive management does not prevent infestation. Milk or milk products from a treated animal cannot be labeled as provided for in subpart D of this part for 90 days following treatment. In breeder stock, treatment cannot occur during the last third of gestation if the progeny will be sold as organic and must not be used during the lactation period for breeding stock.
(i) Fenbendazole (CAS #43210-67-9)—only for use by or on the lawful written order of a licensed veterinarian.
(ii) Ivermectin (CAS #70288-86-7).
(iii) Moxidectin (CAS #113507-06-5)—for control of internal parasites only.
(19) Peroxyacetic/peracetic acid (CAS #-79-21-0)—for sanitizing facility and processing equipment.
(20) Phosphoric acid—allowed as an equipment cleaner, Provided, That, no direct contact with organically managed livestock or land occurs.
(21) Poloxalene (CAS #-9003-11-6)—for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires that poloxalene only be used for the emergency treatment of bloat.
(22) Tolazoline (CAS #-59-98-3)—federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the lawful written or oral order of a licensed veterinarian, in full compliance with the AMDUCA and 21 CFR part 530 of the Food and Drug Administration regulations. Also, for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires:
(i) Use by or on the lawful written order of a licensed veterinarian;
(ii) Use only to reverse the effects of sedation and analgesia caused by Xylazine; and
(iii) A meat withdrawal period of at least 8 days after administering to livestock intended for slaughter; and a milk discard period of at least 4 days after administering to dairy animals.
(23) Xylazine (CAS #-7361-61-7)—federal law restricts this drug to use by or on the lawful written or oral order of a licensed veterinarian, in full compliance with the AMDUCA and 21 CFR part 530 of the Food and Drug Administration regulations. Also, for use under 7 CFR part 205, the NOP requires:
(i) Use by or on the lawful written order of a licensed veterinarian;
(ii) The existence of an emergency; and
(iii) A meat withdrawal period of at least 8 days after administering to livestock intended for slaughter; and a milk discard period of at least 4 days after administering to dairy animals.
(b) As topical treatment, external parasiticide or local anesthetic as applicable.
(1) Copper sulfate.
(2) Formic acid (CAS # 64-18-6)—for use as a pesticide solely within honeybee hives.
(3) Iodine.
(4) Lidocaine—as a local anesthetic. Use requires a withdrawal period of 90 days after administering to livestock intended for slaughter and 7 days after administering to dairy animals.
(5) Lime, hydrated—as an external pest control, not permitted to cauterize physical alterations or deodorize animal wastes.
(6) Mineral oil—for topical use and as a lubricant.
(7) Procaine—as a local anesthetic, use requires a withdrawal period of 90 days after administering to livestock intended for slaughter and 7 days after administering to dairy animals.
(8) Sucrose octanoate esters (CAS #s-42922-74-7; 58064-47-4)—in accordance with approved labeling.
(c) As feed supplements—None.
(d) As feed additives.
(1) DL-Methionine, DL-Methionine-hydroxy analog, and DL-Methionine-hydroxy analog calcium (CAS #'s 59-51-8, 583-91-5, 4857-44-7, and 922-50-9)—for use only in organic poultry production at the following maximum levels of synthetic methionine per ton of feed: Laying and broiler chickens—2 pounds; turkeys and all other poultry—3 pounds.
(2) Trace minerals, used for enrichment or fortification when FDA approved.
(3) Vitamins, used for enrichment or fortification when FDA approved.
(e) As synthetic inert ingredients as classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), for use with nonsynthetic substances or synthetic substances listed in this section and used as an active pesticide ingredient in accordance with any limitations on the use of such substances.
(1) EPA List 4—Inerts of Minimal Concern.
(2) [Reserved]
(f) Excipients, only for use in the manufacture of drugs used to treat organic livestock when the excipient is: Identified by the FDA as Generally Recognized As Safe; Approved by the FDA as a food additive; or Included in the FDA review and approval of a New Animal Drug Application or New Drug Application.
(g)-(z) [Reserved]
[72 FR 70484, Dec. 12, 2007, as amended at 73 FR 54059, Sept. 18, 2008; 75 FR 51924, Aug. 24, 2010; 77 FR 28745, May 15, 2012; 77 FR 45907, Aug. 2, 2012; 77 FR 57989, Sept. 19, 2012; 80 FR 6429, Feb. 5, 2015]

Maybe if more people went to the source for information they would actually know what is allowed to be used to produce "organic" products. Read these lists and understand these are straight from the Code of Federal Regulations not a magazine or a blog or an opinion piece. These are exactly what the Gov't allows to be used on food labeled "Organic".

[StolzerandSons]

And a list of other things that are allowed in processed "organic" products:

§205.605 Nonagricultural (nonorganic) substances allowed as ingredients in or on processed products labeled as “organic” or “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)).”

The following nonagricultural substances may be used as ingredients in or on processed products labeled as “organic” or “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s))” only in accordance with any restrictions specified in this section.
(a) Nonsynthetics allowed:
Acids (Alginic; Citric—produced by microbial fermentation of carbohydrate substances; and Lactic).
Agar-agar.
Animal enzymes—(Rennet—animals derived; Catalase—bovine liver; Animal lipase; Pancreatin; Pepsin; and Trypsin).
Attapulgite—as a processing aid in the handling of plant and animal oils.
Bentonite.
Calcium carbonate.
Calcium chloride.
Calcium sulfate—mined.
Carrageenan.
Dairy cultures.
Diatomaceous earth—food filtering aid only.
Egg white lysozyme (CAS # 9001-63-2)
Enzymes—must be derived from edible, nontoxic plants, nonpathogenic fungi, or nonpathogenic bacteria.
Flavors, nonsynthetic sources only and must not be produced using synthetic solvents and carrier systems or any artificial preservative.
Gellan gum (CAS # 71010-52-1)—high-acyl form only.
Glucono delta-lactone—production by the oxidation of D-glucose with bromine water is prohibited.
Kaolin.
L-Malic acid (CAS # 97-67-6).
Magnesium sulfate, nonsynthetic sources only.
Microorganisms—any food grade bacteria, fungi, and other microorganism.
Nitrogen—oil-free grades.
Oxygen—oil-free grades.
Perlite—for use only as a filter aid in food processing.
Potassium chloride.
Potassium iodide.
Sodium bicarbonate.
Sodium carbonate.
Tartaric acid—made from grape wine.
Waxes—nonsynthetic (Carnauba wax; and Wood resin).
Yeast—When used as food or a fermentation agent in products labeled as “organic,” yeast must be organic if its end use is for human consumption; nonorganic yeast may be used when organic yeast is not commercially available. Growth on petrochemical substrate and sulfite waste liquor is prohibited. For smoked yeast, nonsynthetic smoke flavoring process must be documented.
(b) Synthetics allowed:
Acidified sodium chlorite—Secondary direct antimicrobial food treatment and indirect food contact surface sanitizing. Acidified with citric acid only.
Activated charcoal (CAS #s 7440-44-0; 64365-11-3)—only from vegetative sources; for use only as a filtering aid.
Alginates.
Ammonium bicarbonate—for use only as a leavening agent.
Ammonium carbonate—for use only as a leavening agent.
Ascorbic acid.
Calcium citrate.
Calcium hydroxide.
Calcium phosphates (monobasic, dibasic, and tribasic).
Carbon dioxide.
Cellulose—for use in regenerative casings, as an anti-caking agent (non-chlorine bleached) and filtering aid.
Chlorine materials—disinfecting and sanitizing food contact surfaces, Except, That, residual chlorine levels in the water shall not exceed the maximum residual disinfectant limit under the Safe Drinking Water Act (Calcium hypochlorite; Chlorine dioxide; and Sodium hypochlorite).
Cyclohexylamine (CAS # 108-91-8)—for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.
Diethylaminoethanol (CAS # 100-37-8)—for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.
Ethylene—allowed for postharvest ripening of tropical fruit and degreening of citrus.
Ferrous sulfate—for iron enrichment or fortification of foods when required by regulation or recommended (independent organization).
Glycerides (mono and di)—for use only in drum drying of food.
Glycerin—produced by hydrolysis of fats and oils.
Hydrogen peroxide.
Magnesium carbonate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.
Magnesium chloride—derived from sea water.
Magnesium stearate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specified ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.
Nutrient vitamins and minerals, in accordance with 21 CFR 104.20, Nutritional Quality Guidelines For Foods.
Octadecylamine (CAS # 124-30-1)—for use only as a boiler water additive for packaging sterilization.
Ozone.
Peracetic acid/Peroxyacetic acid (CAS # 79-21-0)—for use in wash and/or rinse water according to FDA limitations. For use as a sanitizer on food contact surfaces.
Phosphoric acid—cleaning of food-contact surfaces and equipment only.
Potassium acid tartrate.
Potassium carbonate.
Potassium citrate.
Potassium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables except when used for peeling peaches.
Potassium phosphate—for use only in agricultural products labeled “made with organic (specific ingredients or food group(s)),” prohibited in agricultural products labeled “organic”.
Silicon dioxide—Permitted as a defoamer. Allowed for other uses when organic rice hulls are not commercially available.
Sodium acid pyrophosphate (CAS # 7758-16-9)—for use only as a leavening agent.
Sodium citrate.
Sodium hydroxide—prohibited for use in lye peeling of fruits and vegetables.
Sodium phosphates—for use only in dairy foods.
Sulfur dioxide—for use only in wine labeled “made with organic grapes,” Provided, That, total sulfite concentration does not exceed 100 ppm.
Tetrasodium pyrophosphate (CAS # 7722-88-5)—for use only in meat analog products.
Tocopherols—derived from vegetable oil when rosemary extracts are not a suitable alternative.
Xanthan gum.
(c)-(z) [Reserved]
[68 FR 61993, Oct. 31, 2003, as amended as 68 FR 62217, Nov. 3, 2003; 71 FR 53302, Sept. 11, 2006; 72 FR 58473, Oct. 16, 2007; 73 FR 59481, Oct. 9, 2008; 75 FR 77524, Dec. 13, 2010; 77 FR 8092, Feb. 14, 2012; 77 FR 33298, June 6, 2012; 77 FR 45907, Aug. 2, 2012; 78 FR 31821, May 28, 2013; 78 FR 61161, Oct. 3, 2013]

[smokeywolf]

The above is a good reason to grow your own or know your farmer really, really well.

[MaryB]

Why I buy from locals! I grow a lot of my own veg plus I am a member in a CSA that a friend owns. I help weed out there so I know the stuff is not getting doused with chemicals.

[jcwit]

Every thing we eat is composed of chemicals and most of those listed occur naturally in nature anyway.

What a joke.

But as always do as one wishes.

Just don't put misinformation out there for others to follow.

[StolzerandSons]

Every thing we eat is composed of chemicals and most of those listed occur naturally in nature anyway.
What a joke.
But as always do as one wishes.
Just don't put misinformation out there for others to follow.

That's why I posted the actual CFR so there wouldn't be any misinformation about what is and is not allowed to be used on products that are labeld "organic".
It's not a study, a blog, a magazine or an opinion, it is the exact regulations that the Gov't(USDA, FDA, Alphabet soup, et. al.) uses for "organic" products for the publics consumtion.

I didn't make any comment on whether those things listed were good or bad, I posted factual information from the source that regulates the industry. You can take away from those lists whatever you want to believe but they are not a joke or misinformation they are the facts straight from the source.

[outdoorfan]

USDA Certified Organic certification tells one two things that are useful to know, in my opinion. One is that the food is non GMO and the other is that chemical pesticides have not been used. The consumer is free to exercise their own judgement. TJ

I agree with this, at least for the most part. But, where something has to be certified by any form of governernment, AND, when the grower is only interested in profit, will make for a direct line for shortcuts and substances used that will not be what the typical organic consumer wants. This is my opinion, of course, but I think it's sound. In other words, "organic" consumer beware!

[outdoorfan]

That's why I posted the actual CFR so there wouldn't be any misinformation about what is and is not allowed to be used on products that are labeld "organic".
It's not a study, a blog, a magazine or an opinion, it is the exact regulations that the Gov't(USDA, FDA, Alphabet soup, et. al.) uses for "organic" products for the publics consumtion.

I didn't make any comment on whether those things listed were good or bad, I posted factual information from the source that regulates the industry. You can take away from those lists whatever you want to believe but they are not a joke or misinformation they are the facts straight from the source.

Thanks for posting that list. Although many of those things appear to be "natural", in my opinion it gives lots of flexibility to the growing organic industry to apply tactics that the consumer doesn't want.

We don't use hardly anything in our gardens, and I suspect most of you have have posted here don't either.

[GabbyM]

We use no pesticides on our GMO corn. Used to use tons of it in the old days. Besides being Roundup resistant the GMO corn we plant is not susceptible to worms like corn borer. I'll reiterate for you thick headed out there. We use zero pesticides in our corn production. Don't use any on the soy beans either.

Also using chemical weed control negates the need to till between the rows with a row crop cultivator. This alone saves copious amounts of fuel. Plus helps prevent soil erosion. No cultivating also increases yields since you don't tear roots and damage the plant in other ways. Soil moisture is also lost with tillage.

No government man in a black suit has ever visited me to order the use of GMO seeds.
Most of the scare propaganda over GMO grain. Comes from China and Japan as they manipulate the grain markets to there advantage. Generally with the help of minions on the China payroll at the USDA and people like Hillary and Obama who run there campaigns on China money. Non of this has anything to do with nutrition. I think Obama is in Europe at a climate change summit as I write this. It all just keeps piling up.

[outdoorfan]

Thanks for sharing your methodology.

The issue then is still the stuff in the corn, for those who are concerned over that.