Interesting read for sure from folks I respect. All of this had led me to have my Mossberg Defender beside Winchester PDX1.12 Defender slugs. 1Oz slug accompanied by 3 x 00 pellets nicely secured behind the seat of my truck. Out to 25 yards the four group nicely in a five inch circle. Covers melons for sure and still allowed by our ever present Liberal Gov't. Hard to find a decent belt holster for it though. I have more four legged worries then most of you folks do.