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    16,000 Rounds Per Second - The Most Deadliest Firearm Ever Made!

    Metal Storm may be the deadliest weapon ever made. It can fire 16,000 rounds per second and can shoot in two modes: a wall of bullets or metal “spears” of multiple bullets at a time. Everything about this weapon is unique. The “magazines” are loaded directly into the barrel and the bullets are fired via an electronic signal without any mechanical parts. It can be used to destroy an inbound ICBM in seconds or destroy an entire building with explosive rounds.



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    The basic concept dates back to flintlock days.
    The U S Navy had a few guns built on the same basic principle to sweep the decks of enemy ships.
    A contraption that resembled a gatling gun or large volley gun could be mounted in the fighting tops. A flintlock ignition set off the forwards most charges, with flash holes connecting each barrel in turn, then a flash hole drilled through each ball directed hot gas to ignite the charges in succession.

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    The real question can you shoot cast boolits at that rate.

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    how many rounds in a magazine? the old clunky ciws may only do 3,000rnds a min, but its belt fed.

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    Has this system ever been used in real combat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krallstar View Post
    Has this system ever been used in real combat.
    Too new maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by krallstar View Post
    Has this system ever been used in real combat.
    Only two contracts I heard of was
    Papua New Guinea's Correctional Service for less than Lethal MAUL's (grenade launchers)
    and US NAVY
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/19/metal_storm_robot_machinegun_grenade_gasm/
    US Navy buys 'Metal Storm' grenade-gasm gun

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    19 Nov 2007 at 14:48, Lewis Page

    Metal Storm, an Australian company looking to market a radical gun design, has announced delivery of production weapons to the US military.
    The firm has also announced a deal to work with famous US robotics maker iRobot. However, its future remains far from assured.
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    Metal Storm's special sauce is the use of "stacked projectiles" lying nose-to-tail in a gun barrel. Each projectile has its propellant charge contained in an open chamber at the rear, thus effectively functioning as a small rocket which fires itself away down the barrel. This clears the way for the next to be fired.* Metal Storm rounds would be difficult to trigger by mechanical impact like ordinary cartridges, so the company uses electric induction.

    A Metal Storm barrel can hold a number of rounds, and lots of barrels can be grouped together in a pod offering the possibility of extremely high burst rates of fire. Alternatively, the technology could be used to offer multiple shots from weapons which are normally single-shot, such as under-barrel grenade launchers attached to rifles.

    The Metal Storm concept is the brainchild of Mike O'Dwyer, a one-time grocer in Brisbane, who hasreportedly spent "30 years and much of his own money" on developing it. The company has been around since 1994, and in 1997 a 36-barrel 9mm prototype weapon splurted out 180 shots in a hundredth of a second, which equates to a million rounds per minute rate of fire.

    The "million rounds per minute gun" gained widespread fame, and Metal Storm went public in Australia in 1999 to much acclaim. The firm listed on NASDAQ in 2001.

    The problem with all this is that high rate of fire over a very short space of time is actually a fairly meaningless stat - especially from a multibarrelled weapon. You could fire both barrels of a shotgun simultaneously, claim they'd gone off a half-millionth-second apart, and say you'd doubled Metal Storm's record.
    Of course it comes on a robot.
    There are military applications where a high rate of fire is good to have - most obviously, when trying to shoot down incoming missiles or artillery shells. More projectiles in the air in a short space of time increases your chance of a hit.

    The Phalanx automatic antimissile system can do this, shooting at 4,500rpm. However, the Phalanx - contrary to some people's beliefs - does not put up a "wall of metal". It aims carefully, fires short bursts, and walks its wounds onto target just like a human machine gunner.

    The really impressive thing about the system is its detection and aiming kit, not the gun. Phalanx actually uses its radar to track the stream of outgoing projectiles and steer them onto target. It taps out short bursts of less than a hundred shots, mirroring the tactics of properly trained humans - just much faster.

    If Phalanx fired at a million rpm it would have shot its bolt, so to speak, in less than a tenth of a second - probably failing to destroy even a single target.

    In the end, a really high rate of fire is just a very fast way of wasting ammo. And Metal Storm ammo is more complicated and therefore more expensive than normal equivalents, so this is especially unfortunate. It's also (a lot) more difficult to reload quickly. In the specific case of antimissile/anti-artillery work, you also need to worry about the weight of the multiple barrels, as everything needs to be slewed round very fast.
    Metal Storm guns need lots of barrels - for ammunition storage as much as for rate of fire - and these barrels are heavier and more unwieldy if anything than normal ones (because of the need for induction electronics up much of their length). All these are bad things.

    Essentially, splurting off huge numbers of superimposed projectiles at flying things in a fraction of a second is fairly foolish, and this has gradually sunk in. Metal Storm stock has tanked, and in 2005 O'Dwyer "retired" as CEO. He has had two successors in that post so far.
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    Now the plan is to try and get something sold as soon as possible. To that end Metal Storm has focused on its version of standard 40mm launcher grenades, and now the company is pleased to announce that it has sold some of these to the US Navy's weapons labs.

    "I am pleased to see the company reach this important stage on our path to commercialisation," said Lee Finniear, the latest Metal Storm CEO. "Research and Development will continue to be an important part of our business but it is our product focus that will ultimately generate the bulk of future revenue."

    The company has also lately announced a memorandum of understanding with well-known American robotics firm iRobot - maker of the Roomba auto vacuum cleaner - and has shown off a droid armed with a quad-barrel Metal Storm 40mm grenade launcher, called FireStorm by the company.
    "Together with Metal Storm, we aim to develop a superior next-generation weapons platform," said Joe Dwyer of iRobot.

    It's hard to see why, really. There are already robots that can shoot 40mm grenades from a proper belt-fed autolauncher, rather than running out after 16 shots like the FireStorm. The marginal advantage of being able to select different ammo types hardly seems like a big deal.

    The firm is also looking to use its 40mm thud-guns to shoot down incoming RPG shoulder-fired rockets of the type carried by every second or third insurgent gunman worldwide. However, the difficult bit of the job - detection and tracking - isn't a trick Metal Storm is set up for, and funnily enough all tests to date have simply made "the assumption that the RPG launch detection and tracking had already been accomplished".

    The only Metal Storm product that looks vaguely useful and as though it might work is the "3GL" triple-shot 40mm grenade launcher for mounting under an assault rifle. A normal underbarrel 40mm launcher is strictly single shot, so it's conceivable that people might buy this if it were light and cheap enough.

    Even if the 3GL's a runaway success, though, it would probably struggle to recoup all the cash that Metal Storm has poured away.
    "The board and I are disappointed about our share price," said Finniear in his latest CEO bulletin.

    "By any comparison the company has made significant steps to commercialisation in the last year... the share price has not reflected any of these advances. We do not believe that the stock price variation of late reflects the progress we are making... we trust the market will react appropriately and the stock will see upward momentum."
    It may be best not to hold one's breath. ®

    *Gun history buffs will be well aware that stacking several bullets and charges on top of one another in a single barrel is not a new idea at all. Such schemes usually go under the name "superimposed loads" in gun-nut circles, and were common - though rather unsafe - back in the days of muzzle-loading powder and ball weapons (example here).
    Metal Storm requested their shares be suspended from trading on 20 July 2012.[16] As of 26 July 2012, the company has been placed in voluntary administration.[16]
    On the 1st of September 2015 DefendTex, an Australian based Defence R&D company acquired the intellectual property, trademarks and other assets of Metal Storm with a view to the continued development and commercalisation of the technology.
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    Might have some application for defensive weapons and disposable weapons pods for Supersonic aircraft.

    Some Jet fighters carry super high rate of fire cannon strictly for defensive dog fighting situations were the enemy aircraft is too close and too fast for missiles to lock onto. One of these fighters I read about could carry only enough ammo for one or two short bursts.
    Extreme high rate of fire in these situations is necessary due to the high speed of such engagements.
    Vietnam made it clear that missile armament only was not practical, at least not when the enemy likes to get in close and dirty.

    Another possible use would be disposable weapons pods for strafing ground targets, the empty pods being ejected to clean up the wings and reduce weight to allow greater range and more maneuverability on the way back.
    With no feed system or complicated breech mechanism cost could be held way down. The main component is the barrel and after a long burst at that sort of RPM the bore would be burned out and require replacement after each mission in any case.
    The pods could be mounted on existing hard points. Whatever remained of an ejected pod would be useless to anyone who found it. It could also be easily adapted to aircraft that were normally not armed. A high performance civilian aircraft could be transformed into a copter killer or ground attack fighter fairly easily.
    An Australian Crop Duster design has been considered for use in the anti-shipping and anti-tank role in the past. Its load carrying capability would allow for heavy missile armament, and it had great STOL characteristics.

    A factor to be considered is rapid fire cannon recoil slowing the aircraft. It would be like firing a powerful retro-rocket engine.

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    Looks like a one shot deal. How do you reload it?
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    Think high priced Claymore mine for use when the vast hordes of Chinese are over running your position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobS View Post
    The real question can you shoot cast boolits at that rate.
    Or, How would you like to reload the cartridges!!!!!!!!would make a progressive seem a wee bit slow!
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    Always seems to be somebody trying to reinvent the wheel. Or the mousetrap. Now they're after metallic cartridge firearms.

    Bah.

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    Look up their video on using the system on Unmanned Combat Arial Vehicles (UCAV's). The clusters of loaded barrels end up working like an ink-jet print-head allowing the UCAV operator to paint targets with 40mm grenades with fractional meter precision...

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    Thanks, Artful, for the extended info. The concept still doesn't make sense to me, unless each projectile in the stack has a different amount of propellant. If they have the same amount of propellant, wouldn't that be like rapidly firing a gun whose barrel lengthens with each shot? I guess I could see how that could be a benefit (aim high and you'll hit the target with a vertical line of projectiles). But on a rifle-mounted grenade launcher? You'd have to keep track of how many rounds you've fired and aim with a different trajectory for each shot. And for what? So you could rapidly fire 4 grenades, then spend much more time reloading? And what if you only need to fire 2 or 3? You're left with 1 or 2 and with the longer reloading time, you might as well pop those off too so that you're ready to fire 4 off again. It would encourage waste.

    And then there's the dozen or so other downsides. Maybe the concept will contribute to something completely different in the future, but IMO if you're talking about firing bullets or even grenades, this concept is a huge step backward in almost every way. No offense to the guy who designed it. It works, and he came up with it himself, it just doesn't work as well as other designs that have been around for a century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonp View Post
    Looks like a one shot deal. How do you reload it?
    Slowly.

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    You reload it by sliding in new OEM pre-loaded barrel tubes. Pretty quick actually. Resupply can be a problem tho...
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    Been around for nearly 20 years as a technology demonstrator, and nobody has adopted it. I believe it was Col Cooper who said, "an ingenious solution to a non-existent problem"

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    "16,000 Rounds Per Second "

    And the guy only got hit by one Boolit?

    Oops maybe that was another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Ironsights View Post
    You reload it by sliding in new OEM pre-loaded barrel tubes. Pretty quick actually. Resupply can be a problem tho...
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