How does a crazed mass murderer get a gun?

[762 shooter]

With all the pontificating by certain individuals about South Carolina "loopholes", father made straw purchase, no check required if a FTF transaction,.................................... CNN reported Friday that the idiot legally purchased his Glock 41 at a local gun store in Charleston. (Not that you can believe CNN)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/cha...oting-suspect/

"Roof turned 21 in April, and a short time later he had a gun.

On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said. Witnesses have reported that Roof reloaded a number of times.

Roof's father and uncle contacted police after surveillance camera images of the suspect were made public, according to the arrest warrant. His father told authorities his son owned a .45-caliber handgun.

Joe Roof, his grandfather, said Roof was given "birthday money" and that the family didn't know what he did with it."

I wonder why everyone is so quiet about this? Doesn't fit a gun control agenda.

762

[JSnover]

From the same mass media that claims we have gun shops on every street corner, anyone with cash can buy machine guns, and my favorite lie; No one saw this coming.

[Frosty Boolit]

Strange all the rounds fired last sunday at Tusco rifle club and not a single one struck a person....

[Frosty Boolit]

My apologies, kicking a dead horse.

[Wayne Smith]

Keep in mind, this is all after the fact. When he bought the gun he wasn't a 'crazed mass murder'. Try to predict your own behavior for half a day - I'll bet you can't successfully do that without conscious effort. One thing we know without question is that we cannot predict anyone's behavior with accuracy.

[kens]

he gets the gun by checking the appropriate boxes.
Take a look at the form 4473 section 11. That is the list of yes/no check boxes.
All the perp does is check the correct boxes and he is good to go for purchase.
The Brady background check looks at criminal records, nothing about mental illness though.
The yes/no checkbox re: mental illness and drugs has no background check to vett the buyer.

[GoodOlBoy]

How does a crazed mass murderer get a gun?

He probably wasn't known as one when he bought it? Just a guess.

GoodOlBoy

[Smoke4320]

he gets the gun by checking the appropriate boxes.
Take a look at the form 4473 section 11. That is the list of yes/no check boxes.
All the perp does is check the correct boxes and he is good to go for purchase.
The Brady background check looks at criminal records, nothing about mental illness though.
The yes/no checkbox re: mental illness and drugs has no background check to vett the buyer.

and This is a very difficult bridge to cross.. no one want the insane/crazys to get a gun but now the left gun control crowd is asking doctors to report you for just having a gun.. not sure how we are going to make sure we weed out the undesirables but protect the good peoples rights ?

[JSnover]

and This is a very difficult bridge to cross.. no one want the insane/crazys to get a gun but now the left gun control crowd is asking doctors to report you for just having a gun.. not sure how we are going to make sure we weed out the undesirables but protect the good peoples rights ?

I agree completely with your post but I don't believe it is possible to weed out undesirables, even if we scrap the Bill of Rights.

Julian Marcelino used two knives to kill six and wound 15 in 1932: http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm...m&file_id=9922

Monroe Phillips, in 1915, killed seven people and wounded 32 with a double barrel shotgun: http://www.glynngen.com/history/bwkmassacre.htm

The best we can do is to allow the good people to protect themselves.

[gray wolf]

Or perhaps his handlers turned him loose ??

+ the kid was a stoned drug addict.

CNN news my foot, I can't believe people still listen to it.

Spin--spin--spin until they decide what they want to tell you.

Another chance to take a swipe at our guns. It sure didn't take them long to start trying.

The poor souls arent even in the ground yet.

[trapper9260]

Or perhaps his handlers turned him loose ??

+ the kid was a stoned drug addict.

CNN news my foot, I can't believe people still listen to it.

Spin--spin--spin until they decide what they want to tell you.

Another chance to take a swipe at our guns. It sure didn't take them long to start trying.

The poor souls arent even in the ground yet.

I am with you on his handlers turned him lose.I say it was a set up to push more gun control.I do not take the word of CNN.They are in with the so call gang for gun control.The kid was there prime one for there thing.But the ones that is just a stand by get the raw end of it all.yes the poor souls got it the worst and not in the ground yet.that is how it is all turn to be now for the gun control nuts.Use some one else thing for there point.Like was stated on the world news that if one of the victims was carrying it could of been stop, but was a gun free zone.That is what i understand from the news.It was on CBS last night news.

[Lee]

+1 on drug addict. However, I wonder if they just might be LEGAL drugs. Big pharma and media is awfully quiet on these cases. Don't want to affect the bottom line, eh?

[osteodoc08]

Criminals will always be criminal and pursue illegal avenues to meet their agenda.

Law abiding citizens are law abiding citizens. Citizens that should be able to protect themselves with whatever means necessary wherever and whenever.

[Lee]

Just found this, and may have answered my own question:

Read it all the way and ask………………………………………

The Federalist 2 hours ago

The Nationalist Socialist Democrats Party ( NAZl'S Democrats) for short don't want a free America ! Nor do they want to know the realproblem in this country is caused by them and the big Pharmaceuticals!

• Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and DylanKlebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves.Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.
• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day ofProzac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot hisgrandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake,Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) HighSchool, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took arifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory ofthe event.
• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt whiletaking Prozac.
• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparentswhile taking Zoloft.
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• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in ElCajon, California
• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxilhe stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of theblue killed a woman.
• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killedhis parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcherknife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reportedto have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several othermedications.
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• Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when shehung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damndoctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on thesecond visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction toPaxil...")
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• Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist becausehe was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples ofZoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from alaundry hook in his closet.
• Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father witha shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn theworld that SSRI drugs can kill.
• Woody __, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th weekof taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling thedose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had neverbeen depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
\• A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his fatherafter his Prozac dosage was increased.
• Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middleschool student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was takingZoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."
• Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot andkilled 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killinghimself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
• Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five peopleand wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois Universityauditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac,Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts ofXanax in his system.
• Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been takingantidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more atJokela High School – then he committed suicide.
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[dtknowles]

I am with you on his handlers turned him lose.......................

Can you substantiate the existence of these "Handlers". Any evidence in any case of gun violence that it was something more than just a depraved individual. Who are these "Handlers" who do they work for and how do they operate. Without evidence or even a reasonable suspicion talking about them makes you seem like a loon.

Tim

[shooter2]

I think it is damned near impossible to stop someone from killing if they put their mind to it. Nor does it make much difference what gun laws are in place.

Remember this case "Anders Behring Breivik" in Norway just a few years ago. Norway has some pretty strict gun laws.

People were killing people before gun powder.

Having said all that, I would be willing to bet that someone in the family knew this guy was troubled and potentially dangerous. But "knowing" is not enough to commit someone.

JMHO

[762 shooter]

I just thought it ironic that all the gun control geniuses saw SC as a hotbed of insane criminals buying guns. Apparently he followed the law, did pass a background check and purchased the Glock.

He might have lied on question 11b on form 4473, but I'm not sure how I would have answered that question given his legal circumstances.

762

[TXGunNut]

Too early to say about the psychiatric drug influence here but it certainly fits the profile. These drugs have kept untold patients out of institutions but it seems there is a high price to pay for having these folks in our society. I think the reason very little is said about them is that they may be very commonly used with the majority of folks living much-improved somewhat normal lives. Nobody wants to think every patient taking these drugs is a walking time bomb.
Lee's reference to the Federalist article is very interesting. I've seen some of this info before but if all that is true the problem is bigger than I suspected and much bigger than mainstream media and the medical profession will ever admit.

[Echo]

As long as this is The Land Of The Free, we will have problems like this. It is the price we pay, for being free. But I believe we made a big mistake about 45 years ago when we got all concerned about the mental patients who were simply warehoused in institutions, and passed laws saying that if we couldn't treat them (to reduce their mental problems) we had to release them. Some folks need to be locked away...

[dkf]

Heavy drug user, nutball, hater of people = They will find a way to do the harm they want to inflict.

If someone in the church would have been carrying other than the perp I would bet money the outcome would have been much better. Hopefully SC changes their law that prohibits carry in churches, thus making churches a prime target for acts like this.