What load 100% case volume 45 Colt?

[kens]

Today I tried my Blackhawk bisley in 45 colt. I loaded 8.5gr green dot under a 230 gr acp boolit. I noticed that case capacity is low, a double charge is possible.
what powder in 45 colt yields a high volume fill, to prevent a double charge?

[Pb2au]

1) Holy black.
2) trail Boss, nearly so.. (It can be made to work, it just smells weird when shot)

[tdoyka]

trail boss....i never smelled it, it just works!!!

[Pipefitter]

With the capacity of the 45LC the only way you are going to get full case capacity is the "Holy Black". A Ruger or Win 94 will also get you there with 4227.

[kens]

Today I tried my Blackhawk bisley in 45 colt. I loaded 8.5gr green dot under a 230 gr acp boolit. I noticed that case capacity is low, a double charge is possible.
what powder in 45 colt yields a high volume fill, to prevent a double charge?

I stand corrected, it was Unique, not green dot. but still got low case fill.

[NC_JEFF]

All the fast pistol powders barely make a dent in the capacity of any cartridge originally intended as a black powder cartridge. ie, most revolvers. You can more than double charge the case depending on what charge your throwing

[Nobade]

Black powder. You get the most performance for the lowest pressure compared to any smokeless load out there.

-Nobade

[DougGuy]

If you are worried about a double charge, do like I do and weigh every charge. You make the most of your loads this way. They are most consistent and most accurate when the charge is all even in every case. And they are the safest!

[firebrick43]

A lot of double charges have been "accurately weighed". Either the loader MIS reads the scale or dumps two into the same case. No method is foolproof from a fool or an in attentive reloader. I have a powder check die on my 650 and it accurately checks powder throws to .2 tenths of a grain. But "I" still have to watch it every pull.

I use trail boss in my 45 colt light loads. Works well. 5.6 gr with a 200 gr MCB pill over top. This load does have some powder staining on the cases. Problem is I just ran out and have been searching for another couple of 5lb jugs for a year or two.

[kens]

Black powder. You get the most performance for the lowest pressure compared to any smokeless load out there.

-Nobade

OK, what if I give up on this????
Tell me about the black powder substitutes out there......................you know, the ones that was the only powder available a year ago in the reloading supply shortage?

Do any of these powders work well??

[bangerjim]

45LC cases are BIG! I use fast powders exclusively in them all the time and have never had a double charge by doing this simple loading process:

Measure and dump powder down the epander/fill die
Immediately put a boolit in the case! Do not fill a bunch and stuff later. Do it immediatley.

If you do that, chances of a 2x fill are very small.

If you are in doubt use a little LED flashlight to look down in the case.

Do not get distracted by phones, music, TV, wives, pets, kids, etc while filling.

I process boolits in batches of 50 and have never had a 2x fill.....ever. Traiboss (if you can find it) will fill up a 45LC case real nice. But it is tough to find. Remember.....the standard bottle of TB only contains 9 oz of powder because it is sooooooooo bulky. Watch the $$.

If you enjoy cleaning and scurbbing your gun for 6X more time than you are shooting, feel free to use BP or substitutes! I shoot TB, TiteGroup, Clays, 700X, and ETR7 with very little fouling after hundreds of rounds thru a gun.

Just do not worry about the small fill of standard pistol powders and have at it like we all do.

Good luck and be safe!

banger-j

[littlejack]

In my Uberti "evil Roy" use 9 grains of Herco under a 250 - 260 grain boolit. You can definitely see a double charge.
Jack

[Nobade]

OK, what if I give up on this????
Tell me about the black powder substitutes out there......................you know, the ones that was the only powder available a year ago in the reloading supply shortage?

Do any of these powders work well??

If you want to shoot a sub powder that works like smokeless, try Blackhorn 209. A lightly compressed charge of that is safe, will give a little more performance than black with a little more pressure, and cleans up like smokeless. Only drawback is the price. T7 would be my next choice, it will work also but watch the fouling build up.

-Nobade

[firebrick43]

I use Blackhorn 209 in my encore and it does a very good job. Very clean, very consistant. But as nobade said expensive.

[MT Chambers]

I can only echo what some others have said, real Black Powder or Trail Boss.

[Sin Nombre]

I don't weigh every charge but do a "tin soldier inspection" powder in all cases, all cases in the rack no bullets, and take a look. if there are any that look "different", check them. this is the way they inspect razor blades for sharpness. visually. you would be amazed how this works.

[kens]

What about 18.0gr of SR4759??

I see sr4759 listed in the Ruger/contender data at 21-25gr charges.
What about a milder charge of 18gr 4759?

[DrCaveman]

Alliant steel uses up a lot of case volume. The loads i tested showed the expected velocity for where it sits on the burn rate chart compared to other powders with published loads. Case fill was probably 90% to bottom of boolit, and i am shooting a SAA.

Didnt notice any pressure signs, but i think it is hard to see them in the 12-18kpsi range, maybe higher too

[littlejack]

I load my 45 Colt cartridges (and others) as Sin Nombra stated. Works flawlessly. DON'T GET DISTRACTED!

[John Boy]

If you want to shoot a sub powder that works like smokeless, try Blackhorn 209

http://www.blackhorn209.com/wp-conte...tridgedata.pdf
IF you plan to use this substitute black powder, yes, it cleans up like smokeless ... but be prepared to thoroughly clean the handgun after each use! Irrespective of what the manufacturer says ... the foul is corrosive!
http://www.blackhorn209.com/specs/general-cleaning/

"Haag's findings were that Blackhorn 209, while basically nitrocellulose contained inclusions of potassium nitrite and sulphur, which may create potassium sulphate, possibly sulphur trioxide, or dioxide combining with water in the air form sulfuric acid. He concluded that there is potassium nitrite and elemental sulphur embedded in what is basically a nitrocellulose product"


And folks - sulfuric acid will corrode and pit your bore ... so, buyer beware. Blackhorn 209's advertising statement - "Noncorrosive" ... Ain't So!

Read the full analysis of the powder done on a spectrometer!
http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/in...46266#msg46266