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Thread: Picking out a muzzleloader

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    Most any scoped inline with a good barrel (not trashed) will kill deer at 100 yds easy. Good cast bullets in the 350 to 450 grain range will work good. You may need a sizeing die as actual bore diameter of ML is quite variable.

    Personally I suggest you find a good early mfg. used Knight, White or a TC Black Diamond, etc.... They can be had at very reasonable price and shoot good.

    Johnson1942 is the man and if he PM you he'll have the straight stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarolar View Post
    Im starting to feel like I kicked a hornets nest...
    Naw, but the traditionalists do not feel outgunned by the in-lines. Unfortunately, black powder has gone the same way as standard rifles, magnumitis has set in cause everyone knows that deer are becoming immune to big slow-moving chunks of lead. They tend to bounce off leaving the animal even stronger each time.

    Fact is that most traditionalists know better and it rubs us the wrong way when folks call our beauties ineffective.

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    Yea but I didn't say that I simply said I want a scope and I dont have the heart to scope a traditional BP rifle...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarolar View Post
    Im starting to feel like I kicked a hornets nest...
    Disregard all that stuff. Lets not turn this thread into an inline vs caplock war of words.
    Care to answer my two questions? Cannot give advice without knowing more of your interests and the amount you are spending.

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    Like I said my budget is whatever its going to take to get something useful I dont want junk. I dont think shooting a modern inline is going to be something I do for enjoyment I am fixing to build a .358 win on a 700 action next and ill be spending a lot of time with it mostly.

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    Thing is a used side lock can be picked up reasonably cheep. They are either rusty or not.

    You did kick a hornets nest. I bought my front loader back in 1970. Before they had separate deer seasons.

    My advise is to buy a rifle you'll be proud to have in the safe or on the wall. That alone pretty much bumps the inline out of the picture. Unless you like zip guns.

    I'd like to have a flint lock 54 caliber round ball gun.

    BTW get real black powder. It stores forever on the shelf and just works better.
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    I'll second the real black. It shoots a LOT better in my traditional and my TC FireHawk inline. If you get the inline, be sure to put a card or wad between powder and boolit if you use cast. ALL mine shoot better that way.
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    Not at all, just talkin muzzleloaders.

    Check out Idahoron's sticky....it's impressive.

    If you want to put the deer down right there....58 round ball.
    If you want to put the deer down right there. ..54 round ball
    If you want to put the deer down right there. ...50 round ball.
    That means get within 100 yds of the deer.....can't see much farther in N.Y. woods.
    45/50 cal patched, Idahoron style....now you're talkin distance.

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    If you are looking at used muzzleloaders, you will need a drop in bore light. There are bunches of used muzzleloaders for sale if you start to look around. Money talks b.s. Walks.

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    Got a nib Traditions 50 cal shipped to you if interested pm me $200

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhmikel View Post
    Got a nib Traditions 50 cal shipped to you if interested pm me $200
    A NIB Traditions Vortek StrikerFire Ultra Light or Hawkens Woodsman??? OK, I'll bite!

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    a .45 cal prb will kill a deer at 100 yds easy. if you can hit it and there is the problem. not if the caliber is effective. I have seen this many times . guy shoots at a deer with a .45 deer gets away. next year he needs a .50. same story next year got to have a .54.

    the biggest problem with in lines is the cost of the shot a dollar a shot or more. you don't shoot much at those prices.

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    I just picked up a cva mountain rifle a few weeks ago off of Armslist - right now in my state there is a TC hawken for $130 And many other muzzleloaders. May be worth a check to see what is out there. My cva was as new unfired and cost me almost nothing.

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    If i came across a t/c hawken with a clean barrel for $130.00, i would jump all over that like an elk in the rut.

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    Will need to check

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    Triggerhappy243....I'd retie my sneakers and race you to it. And at 61 I'd give it my best shot.!!!! LOL

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    Just checked - it is gone now. There are a few others in the 200 range though. Also a Ruger Old Army for 500 - too bad o just purchased 4 BP guns in the last weeks.

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    Just saw a TC ThunderHawk 50cal with a walnut stock 24" blue barrel on gunbroker for $125. I had one and sold it, wish I had kept it. Simple, sturdy and accurate rifles. Looks like a#11 nipple for real black. I shot mine with ffg goex and it shot just as good as any of them. Add says like new condition, pictures look real clean.

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    Got a Buckhunter Pro Inline by Traditions nib $200

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    Sent you a pm, holler back man!

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
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