Maybe members here prefer, freedom from government interference, independence, self-reliance and personal responsibility to government dictated collectivism, social welfare overreach, political correctness and overregulation.
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Maybe members here prefer, freedom from government interference, independence, self-reliance and personal responsibility to government dictated collectivism, social welfare overreach, political correctness and overregulation.
Tim
Words are weapons sharper than knives - INXS
The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides
Yeah that's a great summary Tim that's me anti big government.Originally Posted by dtknowles
My father was a working class Democrat. When I asked him once, about 1971, what the 2 parties stood for, he said the Republicans were mostly for the weathy and business owners and the Democrats were for the poor working man. And that the middle class had no one representing them. He said he tried to vote for the guy who seemed the most honest, but that it was difficult. This still seems to be true.
Your party changed ... changed so much that 'change' is all it stands for anymore, and all change must support the change which has preceeded it.
Now, the 'change' is so overpowering even Zell Miller-style Democrats have disappeared.
Ever hear the phrase, 'change we can believe in'?
Has the guy who used that as his campaign tag EVER said anything you can believe?
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Retired...TWICE. Now just raisin' cows and livin' on borrowed time.
Just A bunch of liars saying they are R's when they are really D's. So now it's the D's against We The People, no help from the R's
I am really having a hard time telling the difference between demonrats and republicraps , what happened to Americans who believe in a constitutional , representative republic?
We are NOT supposed to be a democracy!!!!!!!!!
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Thats because there really isn't a difference between the two anymore. We had a constitutional loving candidate run the last two election cycles, but sadly he was unelectable. One thing for sure, had he been elected we would not be in the mess that we are in today. This is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
There is still a difference between the parties. The parties are lead by politicians so they will behave similarly, that is they are most interested in getting reelected, dealing effectively with our issues is only secondary.
On the Gun Control, the parties differ, for the most part.
On spending, the parties differ and Rino's differ from Fiscal Conservatives
On the military, the parties differ unless it come to spending in the districts then they are in agreement.
You can count on most politicians to go for pork, party does not matter.
You can count on most politicians to try to divide us on hot button issues.
Tim
Words are weapons sharper than knives - INXS
The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides
[QUOTE=jaystuw;3171667]I don't think its much of a stretch to suppose all of us on this thread share the same working class background. Now, what I don't understand and am in fact bewildered by, is the overwhelming support for the Republican party here. It seems, on the surface, pretty cut and dry - if you are weathy, support the republicans. A Working class guy? go with the democrats. Not the case here.
Working class Republicans? I don't get it. There has to be something else going on that I am not seeing. It must be the demographics of the site. A more rural membership base maybe? That might explain it. The value of the democratic party is first realized in the large population centers - the big cities, and then radiates to the outlying areas. So, liberal ideas here on Castboolits, are perhaps a little before their time. Anyway, I wish I could do more to ease your fears and worries, and get across that we, the Democrats, are the champions and defenders of the regular guy. Guys like you. Jay[/QUOTE]
Utter nonsense. The Democrat party is for the homosexual, the ILLEGAL aliens, the murder of unborn babies, and the theft of money from those who work to buy the votes of those who refuse to work. It's been that way since before Jimmy Carter...the liberals have never supported the working man, and the Democrat party as a whole have not supported the working man since 2 generations ago
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The only things the Democrats are champions of are unconstitutional gun laws claiming it's for the children, while at the same time promoting the killing of unborn babies, taxing the hell out of the middle class and making us support the mostly nonworking class. (the middle class is in a lot of pain because of Obama), forcing people to buy a product from company that they may not want/need, and proclaiming that it's free while they once again pickpocket the middle and upper classes, allowing the illegals to come in and trying to give them amnesty because they know that the illegals will vote for them when they become citizens, and race baiting in order to get more votes from the minorities.
The Democrats are NOT defenders of the regular guy. They only want a nanny state so that they can control everyone and force socialist laws on us. You've been living in Commiefornia too long.
Until there are term limits and true accountability none of this is going to change. The Founders never imagined career politicians.
Absolutely. Let's just flush the constitution and sing kumbaya.
I'm a big fan of the Constitution. Not so much of gutless elected sychophants utterly devoid of moral courage.
"...we, the Democrats, are the champions and defenders of the regular guy."
Liberals are scum, harmful scum. They want to kill babies, take my guns, tax me, regulate me, take from me and give it lowlife layabouts. There is nothing liberals do that is not harmful to good and decent people and liberals are opposed to all that is right, lovely, and worthy. Stop trolling this nonsense. This is a site for gun enthusiasts and liberal scum want to take away my right to keep and bear arms. You help liberal scum do all of this.
Dead white guys had something in the Constitution.
Some questions on how both parties could claim to be trying to do the same thing.
Consider gerrymandering. Incumbent protection, but also making it much more likely that a politician only has to play to their base, and stick it to the smaller groups. Instead of trying to serve most of the constituents, as long as the significant group is pandered to, the pols are a lot less likely to care.
Consider direct election of senators. We are reaping the bitter fruits of that action. Now we have both houses directly elected. Some are the beneficiaries of gerrymandered districts. Some the beneficiaries of national parties. No longer selected by the states, they are not reliable when it comes to standing up for the states. Not talking of pork, I mean keeping the feds out of the state's responsibilities.
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Jay...the Democrats quit thinking about the working guy long ago....if they ever did. The collective wealth of the Democrats in Congress surpasses that of the Republicans. Wall Street owns Schumer, Clinton etc. They sell out to the big donors and the working man never enters into the equation. Follow The Constitution....that is all that needs to be done and it is getting to be a dream....not our guidance system.
Politicians don't work for people who give them votes, they work for people who give them money. And, according to the SCOTUS, bribing politicians and political parties is a Constitutional right protected by the 1st amendment.Some questions on how both parties could claim to be trying to do the same thing.
Consider gerrymandering. Incumbent protection, but also making it much more likely that a politician only has to play to their base, and stick it to the smaller groups. Instead of trying to serve most of the constituents, as long as the significant group is pandered to, the pols are a lot less likely to care.
Consider direct election of senators. We are reaping the bitter fruits of that action. Now we have both houses directly elected. Some are the beneficiaries of gerrymandered districts. Some the beneficiaries of national parties. No longer selected by the states, they are not reliable when it comes to standing up for the states. Not talking of pork, I mean keeping the feds out of the state's responsibilities.
smokeywolf
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms *shall not be infringed*.
"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
- Thomas Jefferson
"While the people have property, arms in their hands, and only a spark of noble spirit, the most corrupt Congress must be mad to form any project of tyranny."
- Rev. Nicholas Collin, Fayetteville Gazette (N.C.), October 12, 1789
The Demoncratic party was for the working class years ago but was high jacked by liberal communists (progressives). Look at that excrement we have in the white house that is giving away everything and the working class has to pay more for their frivolous spending. They in power want to live high on the hog with vacations every couple of weeks and golf games every day etc. etc. while you have to work for less, and pay more to the king. We want to keep what we work for and not have it stolen from us, and that makes us Republicans, jaystuw.
Hi guys. nice to see everyone has posted much thought provoking stuff. a lot of things to consider. That's good, but I hardly know were to begin to separate the facts from fiction.
To start, Are Dems a scrouge of the earth that moves across the land taking away God, guns, your freedom and leaving in its wake dead babies? I think I'm going to have to go with fiction on that. Are we supporting lowlife layabouts? yeah, that's a fact. Are libs saddling the middle class with that burden, again yes, our hand is forever in your pocket. However, if it makes anyone feel any better, we would much rather be picking the pockets of your social/economic betters, unfortunately, For the time being , those pockets are out of our reach.
And with that I can see the frustration you fellows experience as members of the middle class. We the dems , lacking a way to effectively fully tax the rich, must hit you up in order to fund our seemingly never ending supply of layabouts. And in turn, the rich hustle you with reduced pay and benefits to reward themelves to an ever higher degree for reasons that are not entirely clear to me.
Jeez what a mess, and I havn't even scratched the surface of this stuff. Jay
"However, if it makes anyone feel any better, we would much rather be picking the pockets of your social/economic betters, unfortunately, For the time being , those pockets are out of our reach."
Do facts ever make into any of your thoughts? Specifically, "rich" people pay all the income taxes as a general matter. How much more of their money do you want? Further, the liberal notion that all of this is a zero sum is not true. Just because there are rich people, is not the reason there are poor people. There is no man made global warming, now that all the lies have been exposed, babies are good and deserve to live, guns are good and useful, taxes are generally regressive, and regulation hurts our economy. There are around 100 million people who are out of the workforce under democrats and close to 50 million on food stamps. The democrats have ran up more debt under the current administration that in all the previous administrations combined, think about it. All records, the bad kind of records. This is a firearms related site, stop trolling for people who want to take away our gun rights. You are so glib about it, and that is disgusting.
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[QUOTE=fatnhappy;3172063]Absolutely. Let's just flush the constitution and sing kumbaya.
I'm a big fan of the Constitution. Not so much of gutless elected sychophants utterly devoid of moral courage.[/QUOTE]
Not devoid of moral courage: devoid of any morals AT ALL.
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