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Thread: Do you live in USA & buy, sell or own cannon (visco) fuse?

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    Do you live in USA & buy, sell or own cannon (visco) fuse?

    NEW regulatory determination by BATFE.


    As of NOW, if it's not already built into consumer fireworks or "designed to be used in small arms ammunition" (WHAT ammunition uses visco?!), visco fuse is a BATFE controlled item.


    Apparently, the guys selling 20' rolls of "cannon fuse" at gun shows or roadside fireworks stands now need BATFE licenses, must store their roll of visco in an explosives magazine- and MAINTAIN RECORDS! As must their customer... You?


    Here's the newsletter with their "determination". See pages 3-4.


    https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...terdec2014.pdf


    (Quote)


    Pyrotechnic Hobby Fuse Exemption


    The Federal explosives laws at 18 U.S.C. §845(a)(4) and the
    implementing regulations at 27 CFR 555.141(a)(4) generally
    exempt small arms ammunition and components of small arms
    ammunition. The regulation at 27 CFR 555.11 defines
    “Ammunition” in relevant part, as, “Small arms ammunition or
    cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or smokeless propellants
    designed for use in small arms, including percussion caps,
    and 3⁄32 inch and other external burning pyrotechnic hobby
    fuses...”.


    ATF has long held that the term “small arms ammunition”
    pertains to .50 caliber or smaller rifle or handgun ammunition,
    as well as certain shotgun ammunition. The regulations at
    27 CFR 555.141(a)(7) generally exempt the importation,
    distribution, and storage of fireworks classified as UN0336,
    UN0337, UN0431, or UN0432 explosives by the U.S. Department
    of Transportation (DOT) at 49 CFR 172.101—consumer fireworks
    and articles pyrotechnic as defined in 27 CFR 555.11.


    Consumer fireworks are typically manufactured and initiated
    with pyrotechnic fuse designed specifically to meet DOT and
    Consumer Product Safety Commission requirements. Therefore,
    3⁄32 inch and other external burning pyrotechnic hobby fuses
    are exempt from the provisions in 27 CFR, Part 555—Commerce
    in Explosives, only when: 1) they are designed for use in
    small arms ammunition; or 2) integrated into consumer fireworks
    or articles pyrotechnic during the manufacturing process.


    Pyrotechnic fuses (e.g., time fuse, quickmatch, sticky match)
    designed for use in fireworks manufacturing or in other
    fireworks activities and that are not integrated into consumer
    fireworks or articles pyrotechnic are not exempt from ATF’s
    explosives regulations.


    Hence, persons engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing,
    or distributing pyrotechnic fuse not designed for use in small
    arms ammunition, and not integrated in consumer fireworks or
    articles pyrotechnic, must possess an ATF explosives license.


    Persons acquiring pyrotechnic fuse not designed for use in
    small arms ammunition and not integrated in consumer fireworks
    or articles pyrotechnic must, among other requirements:


    1) possess an ATF explosives license or permit appropriate
    for their operations;


    2) store the fuse in an explosives storage magazine pursuant
    to the requirements at 27 CFR 555, Subpart K — Storage; and


    3) maintain records pursuant to the requirements at 27 CFR 555,
    Subpart G — Records and Reports.
    Individuals may contact ATF’s Explosives Industry Programs Branch
    for specific pyrotechnic fuse determinations.
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    Wish it were a surprise, but we will be regulated into oblivion

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    can't be hard to make. Just one more thing we are forced to make at home. Regulation is turning us back into a cottage industry.

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    Last edited by Bert2368; 01-12-2015 at 03:12 AM.
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    I am going to record on CD's all the how too's that pretain to reloading ,before they are taken off the internet.
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    Yepper, the German Nazis banned books. That's where our goobermint Nazis learned of banning things so as to make more criminals.

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    So how many guys do you suppose made a CVA .44 caliber cannon in 1974, shot it a couple times and still have half a roll of fuse in the basement somewhere? Or maybe that model rocketry hobby got old, but no sense throwing out that fuse... Hundreds of thousands of instant felons.
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    Apparently they are just re-stating what has always been the case. However, I did call. Particularly want to know what they consider adequately detailed record keeping- Accurate to the gram? To the cm length? To the case/drum/spool?!


    ANYHOW! If you buy fireworks/cannon fuse, make sure it is labeled with UN classification of UN0336, UN0337, UN0441 or UNO442. Do not re-pack without including that label...


    And anything that's not so labeled or IS otherwise numbered, magazine storage only.


    See copy of email below:

    Yes. I contacted EIPB and they replied this morning.

    The newsletter simply restates the rules we've always been under. The UN exemptions still apply. If the fuse is marked with UN0336 or UN0337 or (UN0431 or UN0432 Articles Pyrotechnic) then it is exempt from storage. There will be some updates to the Articles Pyrotechnic UN numbers coming down the pipe but for now, those are still all exempt if your product has those numbers.

    The ATF has advertised the Articles Pyrotechnic thing for a couple of years now so nothing new has been released. Note that DOT classifications (EX or transportation codes like 1.4) do not apply (and never did).

    For storage exemption, the ATF only uses the four UN numbers that are in the Orange Book (see (555.141 (a)(7), 336, 337, 431, or 432)). Be sure your fuse has the proper designation. If it doesn't or if your seller didn't send the label with it, then you should store it in a magazine (note this is the way it has always been).
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    I built a 209 primer firing mechanism for my cannon...if fuse becomes unobtanium !
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