Thanks kweidner he's helping me out too in big ways. So interesting how the 41 mag following are so eager to help me on this new venture. Seems the consensus says between 200-230 ish gr is about where you want to be in weight. I saw a strange mold that may be mismarked..... A lee 175 gr .410 6 gang I was like woooo production but that has to be a mismark and also may be lil light