NEW ! ! T/L Liquid Lube

[Bigslug]

I guess I missed the original forum memo on the Johnson's floor wax disappearing (was there one, and if so, what gives?), but a local Lowe's had plenty - and still does. With the box of Alox that just came from White Label, I think I'm good for life on tumble lube.

[Sekatoa]

My Lowe's still has plenty as well...took this today.

[Ben]

Yes, that is the same price that I paid at my Lowes here in Alabama.

Ben

[Elkins45]

I think you don't need to buy the One Step to get the functional equivalent. I just cooked up the following:

4 oz (1 bottle) LLA
1/8 can JPW
4 oz Coleman fuel

Cook the JPW and LLA together like you are making 45/45/10, but don't add the mineral spirits. DON'T ADD THE COLEMAN FUEL YET!!!!! Allow to cool.

While the LLA/JPW mix is cooling, pour the empty LLA bottle full of petroleum naphtha (also known as legroin, Coleman Fuel or white gas). Slosh it around a bit to dissolve any LLA that stuck to the inside. When the cooked mix has cooled, add the bottle of petroleum naphtha to the pot and mix, then pour into your bottles. You will probably need a funnel because it has the viscosity of water at this point.

My initial results with the experimental mix is that it's identical to Ben's original formula in terms of both application, drying and results in the barrel. The only real advantage is that it's cheaper and won't depend on stuff you can't buy anymore.

Just my $0.02.

[Outdoors]

Can't comment about the equivalence, but you could probably skip the cooking - there's another thread about mixing JPW past and one step liquid and it seems to dissolve the JPW with no heat.

Anyhow, I bought 2 more bottles of one step while it is still available. I can always play chemist later

Pat

[Bigslug]

Where is the source information stating that the Johnson's One Step is going away?

[Airman Basic]

Where is the source information stating that the Johnson's One Step is going away?

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post3176017

[Elkins45]

Can't comment about the equivalence, but you could probably skip the cooking - there's another thread about mixing JPW past and one step liquid and it seems to dissolve the JPW with no heat.

One of the recurring themes in the discussion of making the Recluse lube (45/45/10) is that the cooking of the LLA and JPW alters their chemistry in a beneficial way. I'm not sure if it's because an undesirable solvent is driven off or (more likely) because it becomes partially oxidized, but the drying and tackiness properties are definitely better when it's cooked a bit as opposed to just melting it together and mixing.

[Outdoors]

Interesting - I wonder I some sort of polymerization is happening .....sorry for the thread drift -

Back OT - I think Ben had commented early on in the thread that one of his goals was a lube that did not need to be cooked and was simple to mix. I don't think this was a knock at 45/45/10 as much as a desire for greater simplicity. Ben's recipe certainly achieves that.

RE: supply - I imagine that you could still grab a lifetime supply of one step for my needs without hunting around too much about. So get it while you can!

Pat

[Outdoors]

Rereading the thread, Ben mentions simple and economical as goals back on page 12 or 13. Nothing about not cooking. My mistake. Maybe the no cooking was just me

P.

[Ben]

Outdoors,

And I quote :

I think Ben had commented early on in the thread that one of his goals was a lube that did not need to be cooked and was simple to mix. I don't think this was a knock at 45/45/10 as much as a desire for greater simplicity. Ben's recipe certainly achieves that.

In my original post, I believe I commented that I had used 45/45/10 and had high regard for the lube.

I was not attempting to directly compete with Lar's Lube or be critical of his lube in any form or fashion.

I DID want to develop a very simple lube that anyone could make in 5 minutes .

I wanted a liquid lube that dried hard and dried quick.

Those that have used it say it shoots cleanly, leaves their reloading dies clean and a little bit of the lube will lube MANY bullets.

I am happy with the end results with Ben's Liquid Lube.

Everyone else will need to draw their own conclusions / opinions after they either actually use it or read the many reviews.

Ben

[smoked turkey]

I will comment briefly on the use of BLL as it pertains to my usage of the product and what I have observed. Others may have totally or slightly different results. I am preparing for a black bear hunt in Northeastern Canada in May using the 3589 boolit in my 35 Whelen. My lube for the boolit is Ben's Red. I have observed that since adding a thin wash of BLL to the sized and lubed boolit two distinct things that are very noteworthy to my way of thinking. First is the bore is much easier to clean than before. I have just used a dry patch to push what appears to be a very small amount of unburned powder out of the bore. the bore is very bright and my wheel weight metal sized to .360 is not leading the bore at all. I should add that I did not experience leading before the use of BLL was added. It seems to me that cleaning is quicker and easier with the BLL added. Second and very noteworthy is that I have experienced better accuracy after the application of BLL than with just the Ben's Red. My 80 yard groups are definitely better after application of BLL. I have hesitated to post this yet wanting to do more shooting before I commented. My reason for commenting now is just to say that I have attempted to make both recipes as closely as I can to the original formulas for BR and BLL. With the results I am seeing I plan to not deviate from them as long as I can obtain the necessary components to make both types of lube. I'll just conclude by saying a big "Thank You" to Ben for his development of both of these lubes for my smokeless powder shooting.

[Ben]

smoked turkey

You're more than welcome ! !
Your results mirror mine.

Glad you are enjoying the 2 lubes.

Thanks,
Ben

[Outdoors]

Ben,
my apologies - I did not mean to misquote or speak for you. I just appreciate your efforts on our behalf. FWIW, I have no ax to grind about 45/45/10 either - most everything I have read about it has been positive.

Pat

[Ben]

Outdoors,

No apology needed. I did not view it that way at all.

Thanks.

However, I just want to reiterate my position.

Lars is a very nice fellow.
He sells a good product at a great price.

As time marches on , my BLL will stand on its own merits, just as Lar's 45/45/10 will.

Those that like BLL will use it and make it. Those that have some other view of the lube may choose to stand at a distance.

Either of the positions taken is OK with me. I have zero monetary interest in the use of the lubes by anyone.

Ben

[texassako]

I wanted to add that BLL makes an excellent over coat for bullets that have old, questionable, or deteriorated lube on them. Coated some old commercial cast SWC's to load for my Security Six. The old hard lube was cracked and bits were missing, and I did not feel like melting it off. Good accuracy and a squeaky clean barrel with BLL, fliers and lead streaks along the rifling at the higher speeds without the BLL. These were shot from 600fps to about 1300 fps.

[Beagle333]

Man!! ..... I gotta hoard floor wax now? I do wanna keep making this great lube!

[Elkins45]

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Man!! ..... I gotta hoard floor wax now? I do wanna keep making this great lube!

Yeah. That's why I have been experimenting to find an acceptable substitute for the One Step: I don't need anymore things I have to
hoard

I'm going to be shooting some BLL coated boolets from my 460 Rowland tomorrow. This will be my first test of BLL under this kind of stress but I'm confident it will do just fine. It sure handles better when seating than straight LLA. I didn't have to 'degumify' my seater die once.

[goofyoldfart]

alright, I was reading all of the pages and about half way through I thought " why not". Well it took 5 days to get all the ingredients together. had to order Lee liquid Alox so I ordered a push through sizer (.309) for a couple of 30 cal rifles. went looking for some boolits to lube and found some.357 slugs that had been lubed with God only knows what about 15 years ago. the hardest thing to find was a ketchup bottle---took looking in 5 stores for 4 days (gotta conserve gas--on S.S.) but finally found the last 2 bottles in the last place I looked. bought them both--2.00.

Well, I had finally read all 26 pages by the time I put all the ingrediants together and the one thing I figured out is---ready for this---follow the damn instructions about appling. all I could find were the .357 125 gr. boolits, 85 of them. as said before I can't remember what the lube was--sort of blue-ish. I bought a dollar clear plastic bowl with tight sealing lid and I put about 20 of the critters in and added about 1/8 to 3/16 of a tsp of Ben's LL in and shook them round and round for about 45 secs. looked at them and said lets put the rest a little at a time,so did so. In the process I added about another 1/8 tsp to it and covered all 85 boolits and shook them all for about 1 to 2 min. I then used a very large pair of twezzers that I had for working on my computers to pull them out and placed them in a large pie pan that I had purchased last year for just this purpose (you know, Lee L Alox) but never got around to it. I had had a minor problem using it due to Pancriatic Cancer surgery and it was only in the last week that I have really wanted to do this stuff. it's only taken 6 months to get onery again. BUT, the pie pan works perfect. lubed them and placed them in the pan and let them dry for about 3 hrs. while looking at gun porn and drooling then went back and checked them. they were dry to the touch and I could hold a bunch in my hand with NO stickyness. No puddles either in the pan.

I think that when I do some more I'm going to try leaving the residue in the container and just add about 1/8 of a tsp in and do about 100 or so, reusing the existing stuff in the container. we will see how that works. I'm not cheap just frugal, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I think that it will work to strech this stuff out. I'll let ya'll know if it does or not. God Bless to all and theirs. you to Ben.

goofy

[pls1911]

Just stumbled onto some Johnsons One Step at the local home depot.
Bought 2 of 4 cans, came home and re-read the thread.
Guess I'll go pickup the other 2 cans tomorrow.

Usually TL heat treated .30 and .35 rifle bullets after sizing/lubing/gas checking normally through oversized dies.
Been doing it for years of IMHSA shooting and hunting with 30-30, 7 TCU, .357 magnum, and 35 Remington.
Accuracy has always been better than I can shoot, and I have NEVER had a speck of leading, so the practice must be ok....