I guess it's true you really do get what you pay for. Just got my new NOE 180 k31 mold and this has got to be the best mold ever. Sorry lee its been good while it lasted and move over lyman my money is going on NOE's from now own. I can't even imagine it getting any better. I have been a diehard Lee fan because of ecconomics and lyman simply for design but NOE is money well worth spending.