high wall slug gun

[Jedman]

Myself and another member built custom 410 fully rifled deer guns for use in Ohio about 4 years ago before they legalized some strait walled rifle cartridges for deer gun season.
We were shooting heavyweight 44 cal. bullets out of plastic cased 410 hulls and found the 209 primers to be the weak link as to how far we could go with pressure before something failed.

In Ohio if using a shotgun you cannot use a all metallic case so we found WW AA plastic casings to take quite a bit a pressure ( 1 time ) but at a point probably above 25000 psi the primers would come apart but not with any danger to the shooter using a H&R handi rifle that fully supports the cartridge.

With a 20 ga. using saboted bullets with a higher BC at similar pressures should be a very effective deer gun.

Jedman

[appleseedgunsmith]

Never counted. Not about time. I do stuff as time and $$$ allow. My roller took about 4 yrs, so who knows?

[appleseedgunsmith]

Well I live in Tenn now. So pretty much anything goes

[Drm50]

I'm Ohio deer hunter too. I have never seen any law against brass casings on shotgun shells. The
law 410-10g -smooth bore- firing a single projectile. We were working around this with a 410 too.
We were using 444 Marlin brass, with just enough neck to hold 410 slug. Action was Brit Enfield
rebarrel with a 30cal MG barrel bored out to smooth. We also tried 41 cast bullets. We got Velocity, but about 16" groups at 100. Before we got it refined, Ohio made rifled barrels legal.
We did turn 444 off brass and stamp barrel 410 to avoid hassle with wardens.

[Jedman]

Drm50,
Believe me there is such a rule in the " allowed " deer hunting equipment for shotguns.
I discussed it fully with the DNR before hunting with our 44 shotguns and the rule still exist now even though you can use some rifles with strait walled cases.

Jedman

[appleseedgunsmith]

I checked. That rule is there now. Wasn't always that way tho.

[appleseedgunsmith]

Gun went for bluing finally!

[appleseedgunsmith]

[appleseedgunsmith]

Went another route with the scope. My mva b5 with no.2 mount is in the mail today!

[appleseedgunsmith]

[uncle dino]

What did you end up using for sabots? D

[appleseedgunsmith]

First attempt will be factory hornadys. First homemade will be 58 minie in ballistic prod steel shotcups

[appleseedgunsmith]

Ladies n gentleman......the first ever 1885 highwall 20ga buffalo sluggun w/scope

[nekshot]

Now thats a beast for the beast!! Nice finished gun. Think you could go duck hunting with it?

[appleseedgunsmith]

Thinking rabid dinosaur.......

[appleseedgunsmith]

Actually the original expectation was to use it for long range deer hunting. Laws have changed over the years, making it not necessary, but hey, why the hell not?

[appleseedgunsmith]

1885 Sluggun's first range test... Inconclusive but promising... Two in one hole after a scope adjustment! Different brand on right. On to black powder load experimenting...

[appleseedgunsmith]

Black powder slugs. sans crimp since I need 3" and I only have 2 3/4". Good way to test out some tools tho.

[appleseedgunsmith]

First time out with Bp slugs in my 1885. Here's what I know:

It's perfectly safe, pressure wise. Oversize wad/slug combo squeezes down just fine. Actually the felt recoil is less than factory sabots.

Not real accurate, but for a first try, they aren't much different than groups from regular slugguns and factory sabots.

Shells last one shot only because of burn thru.

Some wads were recovered which means the glue didn't hold. Need better glue, or use wad as a discarding sabot.

Lots of fouling, plastic and black powder both. Maybe more prelubed wads. I made a few by soaking felt wads in home lube for the 6 cheddite cases. Others didn't have them and groups were even worse.

Shells are a snug fit in chamber, but all fit even tho they wouldnt fit in a factory check gauge.

Crimp not needed. Slug/wad combo is a tight press fit

[Dusty Ed]

Howdy Appleseed
Have you talked Randy Fritz Tarhunt he has been experimenting with 20 ga. slugs for years, I have witnessed him shooting trough the same hole 50yds.
Right now he is working on a full bore 20ga. slug that weights in at around 180grs. He builds an ships 20ga. rifles all over the world.
He is the most Knowledgeable Gunsmith that I know.
Dusty Ed