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    CLEAR BALLISTICS GEL TEST.44-40/Black Powder

    To make an incredibly long story short.
    CLEAR BALLISTIC GEL TEST


    Marlin 1894CB 24" Barrel
    Uberti "Buckhorn" 7 1/2" Barrel


    Bullets cast by w30wcf, aka w44wcf


    Group One - 24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 14" Penetration, 1,187fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - 17 1/2" Penetration, 970fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono


    Group Two - 42798 75/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 27" Penetration, 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - Passed through 32", no recovery, 941fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono


    Group Three - 42798 Pure Lead Alloy
    1. Rifle - 23" Penetration, no chrono reading....est. 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - Passed through 32", no recovery, 963fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono





    24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 14" Penetration, 1,187fps @ 50 Yards





    24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    2. Revolver - 17 1/2" Penetration, 970fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono





    42798 75/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 27" Penetration, 1,162fps @ 50 Yards





    42798 Pure Lead Alloy
    1. Rifle - 23" Penetration, no chrono reading....est. 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    Last edited by Savvy Jack; 08-05-2014 at 05:52 PM.

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    24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 14" Penetration, 1,187fps @ 50 Yards

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    24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    2. Revolver - 17 1/2" Penetration, 970fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono

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    42798 75/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 27" Penetration, 1,162fps @ 50 Yards

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    42798 Pure Lead Alloy
    1. Rifle - 23" Penetration, no chrono reading....est. 1,162fps @ 50 Yards

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    Outstanding! Good work! Thanks for posting

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    Great stuff. Thanks for posting.
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    One more thanks for posting!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I make a 165 grain .40 cal HP made by Erik as well. I have a very particular blend of alloys I use that gives PERFECT expansion at around 950 fps with almost 330 foot pounds and a power factor of 157. In the last few weeks I've been mimicking the FBI's ballistic gel test through particular barriers they specify in a kit I built. I've made it relatively cost efficient for myself to have definitive results just as the commercial bullet companies do. I want to start marketing this kit but I'm not sure if the investment to make a few and sell them is even something people would be interested in. I have a few ideas: Make the kit to be sold and used by the purchaser, use my own kit and meet people at the range to test bullets themselves with my equipment, or allow people to ship me their bullets to be tested and I will video record it and send back the results and specs. I am an avid caster and reloader and I'm going back to school to become an RN so I'm hoping to make a few bucks to cover some of the $42,000 bill. Do you think anyone would even care to have their bullets tested at the degree a manufacturer would? To ensure their bullets live up to the expected standard in which they use them for?
    Last edited by CNal; 11-26-2014 at 02:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savvy Jack View Post
    To make an incredibly long story short.
    CLEAR BALLISTIC GEL TEST


    Marlin 1894CB 24" Barrel
    Uberti "Buckhorn" 7 1/2" Barrel


    Bullets cast by w30wcf, aka w44wcf


    Group One - 24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 14" Penetration, 1,187fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - 17 1/2" Penetration, 970fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono


    Group Two - 42798 75/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 27" Penetration, 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - Passed through 32", no recovery, 941fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono


    Group Three - 42798 Pure Lead Alloy
    1. Rifle - 23" Penetration, no chrono reading....est. 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - Passed through 32", no recovery, 963fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono





    24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 14" Penetration, 1,187fps @ 50 Yards





    24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    2. Revolver - 17 1/2" Penetration, 970fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono





    42798 75/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 27" Penetration, 1,162fps @ 50 Yards





    42798 Pure Lead Alloy
    1. Rifle - 23" Penetration, no chrono reading....est. 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    Impressive results... especially using black powder! Aloha..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savvy Jack View Post
    To make an incredibly long story short.
    CLEAR BALLISTIC GEL TEST


    Marlin 1894CB 24" Barrel
    Uberti "Buckhorn" 7 1/2" Barrel


    Bullets cast by w30wcf, aka w44wcf


    Group One - 24299 Hollowpoint 50/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 14" Penetration, 1,187fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - 17 1/2" Penetration, 970fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono


    Group Two - 42798 75/1 Alloy Mix
    1. Rifle - 27" Penetration, 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - Passed through 32", no recovery, 941fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono


    Group Three - 42798 Pure Lead Alloy
    1. Rifle - 23" Penetration, no chrono reading....est. 1,162fps @ 50 Yards
    2. Revolver - Passed through 32", no recovery, 963fps @ 10ft Gel - 15' for chrono
    Jack.

    What is more impressive to me with your test is the penetration not the expansion of the bullets. This seems to blow past the replies so far that the lower velocities out penetrate the higher velocities.

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    My hat is off to the OP. Well done. More please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CNal View Post
    I make a 165 grain .40 cal HP made by Erik as well. I have a very particular blend of alloys I use that gives PERFECT expansion at around 950 fps with almost 330 foot pounds and a power factor of 157. In the last few weeks I've been mimicking the FBI's ballistic gel test through particular barriers they specify in a kit I built. I've made it relatively cost efficient for myself to have definitive results just as the commercial bullet companies do. I want to start marketing this kit but I'm not sure if the investment to make a few and sell them is even something people would be interested in. I have a few ideas: Make the kit to be sold and used by the purchaser, use my own kit and meet people at the range to test bullets themselves with my equipment, or allow people to ship me their bullets to be tested and I will video record it and send back the results and specs. I am an avid caster and reloader and I'm going back to school to become an RN so I'm hoping to make a few bucks to cover some of the $42,000 bill. Do you think anyone would even care to have their bullets tested at the degree a manufacturer would? To ensure their bullets live up to the expected standard in which they use them for?
    I would suggest you start your own thread and re-post this, with paragraph breaks. You will get a lot more attention that way.
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