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    Hevi-Shot Hog Wild 12ga dissection w pics

    I finally got ahold of some of the new Hevi-Shot Hog wild ammo: the tri-ball in 3.5” and di-ball in 3”, and just for you guys I dissected one of each and analyzed the components. Bear w me, as I load the pics and commentary.
    As I promised here:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?236224-Factory-cathing-on-to-Tri-Ball-loads-Hevishot-ammo!


    First up is a pic of the loaded rounds. Simple enough.
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    Ok, lets get into the 3” since that’s the one most here might shoot. I cut off the fold crimp to find… sesame seeds (look roasted even), no not kidding! Seeds as filler over the top ball.

    Seed weight in 3in hull: 43gr
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    Next is the 3” payload: inside a 4-petal wad w a deep overpowder cup are the 2 balls and a spacer


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    Here is the 3in payload separated. Balls are 0.6225” and weigh 206gr each. Yes, only 206gr- they are not puer lead, or any alloy I can think of. Pure lead of .6225; diam would weigh 363gr, wheelweight would weigh 350gr, and linotype would weigh 334gr. Any ideas on a 206gr ball composition???


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    The spacer is .633” diam and weighs 20.5gr. it is bi-concave to fit both balls, one on each side. The wad petals are thick; 0.030" for a total addition of 0.06" to the balls making the conglomerate 0.6825" aroud the balls and 0.6935" at the spacer,and the wad base is 0.718"- hope it seals in the gas! The orange wad for the Dixie tri-balls is thicker, FYI.
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    The powder, if the pic comes through, is 26gr (in the 3” load) of what looks exactly like Lil’gun-

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    Now the 3.5” load w 3 balls. Much less sesame seed over shot filler, only 15gr weight.

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    And here are the components. Same as the 3in load, except one more ball and spacer, and the powder, again looks exactly like Lil’gun charge is 36gr.

    I guess it could be a finer grind of longshot (longshot is used in heavy 3.5’ loads, moving 1&7/8oz loads over 1250fps w 36-ish gr of longshot)
    Hevi-shot claims 1250fps. Since total payload weight is 674gr (slightly over 1.5oz) in the 3.5”, and in other tested loads, 47gr lil’gun gets a 880gr full bore slug moving at 1320fps/ 13.3kpsi; whereas 28gr of Longshot moves that 880gr slug at 1050fps/ 8.3kpsi. I guess hevishot could have used whatever they want, and some stuff we don’t have access to.


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    Very nice report. Thanks

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    With seame seeds that makes it a real servival load!! LOL That is really interesting news, Thanks,
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    might even be considered baiting the hogs. or at least the birds.
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    Hevi-shot is a tungsten iron mix if I remember right.

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    southerners use grits. northerners use cream of wheat. ??? uses sesame??? Burmeese? Indians? Somebody check with Ajay ASAP! Middle easterners? Sesame seeds? And I thought I loaded some weirdos!

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    densityL
    if its hevi-steel ball, it would be 9.4g/cc which woudl be a 302gr ball.
    environmetals lightest alloy is 8.4g/cc which woudl be a 269gr ball.
    regular shot steel is 7.8g/cc which equals a 250gr ball.
    so what in the world is this stuff?
    it does NOT attract a magnet.
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    btw the hevi-people's website says the filler is flaxseed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpileri View Post
    btw the hevi-people's website says the filler is flaxseed.
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    you trying to kill the hog or feed it?

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    ill bet dollars to donuts (but not a cent more) that they use off-the-shelf powder. Reason? Same as the reason that ferrari uses off-the-shelf audio gear in their cars. No reason to make a ferarri specific CD player for 1000 cars a year when they can buy an Alpine unit for $500 a pop. They'd spend 4x that developing their own.

    In other words, there's only so much market for shotgun shells that cost $3-$3.50 a shot, and I will bet that it's not big enough to justify the cost of one entire powder run worth of batch.

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    So the hog gets a snack thrown at it before departure.....sounds like the last flight I took only with better results for me....I got to where I wanted to go.
    They call it "common sense". Why is it so uncommon?

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    thanks tomme boy, for the ref sheet. so i went back to my excel sheet for roundballs and plugged in some numbers to try to figure out what this stuff is.
    Aluminum would give me a 86gr ball, so it isnt aluminum (thankfully!).
    But something in the 6.5g/cc or a smidge less range would give me 206gr assuming the ball isnt HOLLOW.

    I kind of want to try to cut on in half and see.

    nearest on the chart is Zirconium; doubt it!

    some deductive reasoning, It would be expensive to produce hollow balls, even for a short run. So i doubt it (for now), and the allow is probably common as well. so...

    What common alloy is 6.414g/cc (say 6.5g/cc for easy remembering) or thereabouts?

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    whiterabbit, excellent points!
    Helps me reason they didnt work too hard making a hollow-zirconium alloy ball either!
    it has to be a common alloy.
    Still searcching the bulk suppliers of roundd balls.
    Whats the density of the bismuth-alloy that Cerro-safe chamber casting metal is made off?
    Of course, that stuff is really soft.
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