10 cents a round for .22LR

[Geraldo]

When they get back to $7-8 per 500-round brick, I'll think about it.

Just wondering if you're waiting for gas to go back to $1.15 a gallon before you buy any.

[Ickisrulz]

I'd rather shoot my centerfire wheelguns and rifles for a whole lot less than .22LR. My daughter told me she wants to shoot the "foldup" (KelTec Sub 2K) the other day. Can shoot that a whole lot cheaper than the .22s

The nice thing about the 22s is they don't require the labor the center fire stuff does. How much time do you have in a box of 100 rounds? I figure I probably have close to 2 hours in casting, lubing and reloading. If you only shoot a couple hundred rounds a week, that time isn't too bad. But I was accustomed to shooting around 300 rounds of 22 in addition to at least 100 rounds of center fire each week. I can't replace all my rimfire shooting with center fire because of time constraints (and I'm retired).

[EMC45]

I understand the time question. I consider the time I spend casting/reloading as almost therapeutic. I clear my head and do what I have to do. I still value my handloads well above the cost of .22LR ammo.

[9.3X62AL]

I understand the time question. I consider the time I spend casting/reloading as almost therapeutic. I clear my head and do what I have to do. I still value my handloads well above the cost of .22LR ammo.

There ya go.

It still seems preposterous to me that the manufacturers can't keep up with demand. My "gut" feeling has always been that some or most of this condition is contrived and artificial. One realization I came to is that our hobby is only shallowly supplied by the makers that produce ammo or components to service it. Inventory in depth......hardly. We are poorly served by that lot.

[dragon813gt]

One realization I came to is that our hobby is only shallowly supplied by the makers that produce ammo or components to service it. Inventory in depth......hardly. We are poorly served by that lot.

Two things to point out. Do you really think that the manufacturers are not producing as much as they can? Their goal is to make money. Keeping production down means less money for them. You also need to look at wholesale costs because that is where the manufacturers make their money. Wholesale cost has gone up by only minimally. The price increase begins at the distributor level and goes on from there.

As far is inventory goes. Thank our government for their inventory taxes. No companies what product on the shelves come the end of the fiscal year. All that product does is cost them money if it sits there long term. Could the manufacturers have stockpiled over the years, sure could have. But I'm sure the accountants got involved and figured out what they would have to sell it for to make a profit if it say on the shelf for "x" number of months.

[4rdwhln]

I have just spent 50.00 on 500 Armscor 22 shells... price seems steep however I have 8 .22 caliber guns....seems a waste to just let them sit..every now and then its good to shoot them.. super good news is they work in a rifle I have that nothing seems to feed in. I will shoot them sparingly till I can get some more.

[Wally]

There ya go.

It still seems preposterous to me that the manufacturers can't keep up with demand. My "gut" feeling has always been that some or most of this condition is contrived and artificial. One realization I came to is that our hobby is only shallowly supplied by the makers that produce ammo or components to service it. Inventory in depth......hardly. We are poorly served by that lot.

First we had two long periods of primer shortages....then .22 RF and now with powder. I haven't seen a good selection of powders on Powder Valleys website in over two years.....no Sir, something is rotten in Denmark and all the excuses from the industry sound more and more to me like the stuff that bulls make a lot of.

[Garyshome]

Hey if you're happy with the price I am too! I just picked up some in a deal, if all goes as planned it will cost $0.00 for the ammo.

[wrench man]

CCI SV has been available locally for $3.49 for 50, I told them to keep it, Cabela's had the same for $4.99, I shook my head as I walked away, within the last two weeks I've purchased 500 count bricks of Federal 510 and AE5022 for less than $20, I consider that reasonable.

[9.3X62AL]

Dragon--

Not meaning to be argumentive here, but I'm certain that the makers are producing as much as they can. Problem is, "as much as they can" isn't nearly enough. Demand has grown--GREATLY. And the makers choose to ignore that growth, and continue their Rip Van Winkle routine--living today as if times haven't changed in 20 years.

[GhostHawk]

Setting up a "New" manufacturing line has to be a terrific pain in the posterior. EPA studies to be done, demand projections, plus lining up the raw materials has to all be a huge headache.

"New" from scratch production lines to make .22lr ammo and tap into the available market is probably a 5-7 year plan and that is if nothing goes wrong!

We have no idea if it is even possible, could a company get enough brass to make more than what they are making now? Lead? Powder?

We don't work in the industry, we have no idea what the bottlenecks are.

Company's are in the business for the purpose of making money. Right now producing .22lr is a lot like printing money. You don't think they would if they could? You assume this is all a conspiracy to inconvenience you?

Paranoid much?

I don't think the makers are ignoring that growth, stuff takes time.
Building anything new from scratch even if it is producing a product that is totally known, still takes time.
Just getting through all the bloody inspections takes TIME.

[9.3X62AL]

Not paranoid, and I have invested a good amount of money in firearms with something of an understanding that sufficient ammunition and/or components would be available to enable training and recreation with those arms. That is not reasonably possible currently for many people, and I object to it as a hobbyist and enthusiast. This is the United States of America, not some third-world pest hole rife with graft and corruption or lacking a manufacturing base. After six years of shortage/outage/flippers/strippers/gougers and their associated irritations, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect more from the makers of the outdoors products I enjoy than what I have seen for over a half-decade. The duration of these conditions speaks far more loudly of poor planning, indolence, arrogance, and sloth.

[Heavy lead]

Not paranoid, and I have invested a good amount of money in firearms with something of an understanding that sufficient ammunition and/or components would be available to enable training and recreation with those arms. That is not reasonably possible currently for many people, and I object to it as a hobbyist and enthusiast. This is the United States of America, not some third-world pest hole rife with graft and corruption or lacking a manufacturing base. After six years of shortage/outage/flippers/strippers/gougers and their associated irritations, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect more from the makers of the outdoors products I enjoy than what I have seen for over a half-decade. The duration of these conditions speaks far more loudly of poor planning, indolence, arrogance, and sloth.

Amen,
The very best oratory on this I've heard on this yet, enough with the excuses.

[dtknowles]

Not paranoid, and I have invested a good amount of money in firearms with something of an understanding that sufficient ammunition and/or components would be available to enable training and recreation with those arms. That is not reasonably possible currently for many people, and I object to it as a hobbyist and enthusiast........

Where did you get that understanding that ammo and components would be available? Did you get that in writing? Makers have often stopped production of some ammo (as the guys that want .32 RF what that costs when they can find it) and others they only produce once a year or so.

Most U.S. firearms makers do not make ammo just firearms. I think Remington is the only Ammo maker who also make firearms. Some like S&W and Weatherby have had others make ammo for them. How much money would you sink into more production capacity with the current political situation. If you think it is a good bet then go raise the money and build a ammo factory.

Tim

[dtknowles]

Amen,
The very best oratory on this I've heard on this yet, enough with the excuses.

Just more of the sad entitlement mentality. I bought a gun someone needs to make sure I can get cheap ammo for it. Just a bunch of whining. If the government was the problem then it would be smart to complain to you elected representatives and explaining to businessmen that you think they are missing an opportunity all make sense but whining about it here.......

If you want to start a grass roots campaign to reach out to the manufacturers, I will join a petition or letter writing campaign. I you want the Feds to allow more imports from Russia, I am not going there.

Tim

[roysha]

Just more of the sad entitlement mentality. I bought a gun someone needs to make sure I can get cheap ammo for it. Just a bunch of whining. If the government was the problem then it would be smart to complain to you elected representatives and explaining to businessmen that you think they are missing an opportunity all make sense but whining about it here.......

If you want to start a grass roots campaign to reach out to the manufacturers, I will join a petition or letter writing campaign. I you want the Feds to allow more imports from Russia, I am not going there.

Tim

Are you serious?? If so what planet do you live on? When was the last time ANY so called "representative" paid any attention to anything other than getting more power for themselves?

I'm inclined to believe that the main trend of thought here is not so much cheap ammo, as to have it readily available at a reasonable cost. If you're good with $100 a carton 22LR great. Unfortunately there are those among us who cannot afford those prices.

As far as Russia, what in the **** has that got to do with anything?

[9.3X62AL]

Perhaps I've hit a few nerves......those of flippers/gougers, or makers/employees. If so, GOOD. Something needs to stir that lot out of its sloth and torpor.

[dtknowles]

Perhaps I've hit a few nerves......those of flippers/gougers, or makers/employees. If so, GOOD. Something needs to stir that lot out of its sloth and torpor.

I am none of the above, not a flipper, gouger, maker or employee, I have not sold any quantity one round or a 100 of .22 or any other ammo. I have sold some brass.

I paid $60 for 500 rounds of Match .22 LR a few weeks ago not too unhappy with that price because I can't make better ammo for less. I don't blame the manufacturers. I do blame the politicians because they have created the climate makes it a bad business decision to add capacity and I think that is why we see so much imported ammo and have shortages. You are not going to influence anyone with your whining. My senator who is up for reelection this fall is likely to lose because she is on the wrong side on too many issues and her previous popularity is gone, I have explained it to her staff.

If I was going to build a new .22 LR production line the only reason I would do it in the U.S.A. is to be patriotic, not really a good basis for a business decision.

Tim

[Beagle333]

My WalMart had a pile of CCI "Target-plinking" LR's in the 100 pack for $7.34 this morning. I passed on em though. I don't think anybody else was interested either.

[dtknowles]

Are you serious?? If so what planet do you live on? When was the last time ANY so called "representative" paid any attention to anything other than getting more power for themselves?

I'm inclined to believe that the main trend of thought here is not so much cheap ammo, as to have it readily available at a reasonable cost. If you're good with $100 a carton 22LR great. Unfortunately there are those among us who cannot afford those prices.

As far as Russia, what in the **** has that got to do with anything?

Yes, I am serious, they want more power but they have very little if they can't get reelected. If they don't know what you care about then they don't know why you voted for someone else. In the past a lot of people had been shooting Russian made ammo including .22 LR but with the way Russia is behaving I doubt we will be seeing much Russian ammo and that would be alright with me. I have never even seen .22 ammo offered for $100 a brick except Eley Match. I have seen it at $60 a brick for what was once cheap ammo and it does not move fast at that price.

If you think the price is too high don't pay it. Manufacturers will not increase capacity until the business and political climate assures them that the investment will be paid back with a profit in less than a few years. If the new capacity drives the price back down to where it was they might never make back their investment. I think the people in the Ammo business know the business better than you.

Since many here refuse to pay 10 cents a round the manufacturers don't see any reason to make more than they currently can.

Tim