Crayola Of Death report

[Blammer]

OK, took a few samples out to the range today to shoot.

Yes this bullet is primarily used in the 300 BO but I just couldn't resist trying it in something else.
Rem 700 in 30-06
.309 sized
WQWW's
19gr of 2400 in my 30-06



punched round holes and a nice group at 25 yds, less than an inch for 5 shots

will try for longer distance next time.

Seems to be a great youth round for practice. Not a loud boom and no recoil to speak of.

[RED333]

Cool, just might have to try it my .308.
Any idea of FPS?

[Blammer]

probably around whatever... sorry no clue.

[FLHTC]

What bullet is it?

[RED333]

It is a 129 gr custom from NOE.
Blammer, I too need a chronograph.

[FLHTC]

i like it

[Blammer]

this mould

http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product...roducts_id=762

[wacki]

Gas check or plain base?

[Blammer]

gas check

loaded some up in my 30-06
.311 sized and lubed with gc
22gr of 2400

at 25 yards lined up a bunch of gallon milk jugs and 1/2 gal jucy juice jugs
It totally exploded the first gallon jug
penetrated the second one, tore it up bad too.
penetrated a jucy juice jug
then through another gallon jug
bounced off the next jucy juice jug

schrapnel was found in the first jug, along with a NEAT round hole for the entrance.
Entrance to the second jug was a keyhole
and so it was for the rest of the jugs, key hole or evidence of tumbling.
it penetrated straight.

starting wt was 130gr (naked)
ending was 122gr (naked, as the GC came off and there was no lube on it)

these are WQWW's.

here is a picture of the bullet before and after.



and the loaded round

[longbow]

I will hazard a guess that with 22 gr. of 2400 velocities would be similar to my 130 gr. 316410 HP Mihec mould over 22 gr. IMR4227.

The HP version totally disintegrates in one milk jug with only small pieces making it though the back side. Most entertaining!

Not sure if you have the inclination but I bet a 1/16" HP drilled into your Crayola would make one explosive little boolit. Drilling that fine point might be a challenge though.

Interesting little boolit. How is it grouping at longer ranges? It should have a pretty high BC with that long pointy nose.

Longbow

[Ben]

Blammer

Yours is much more aerodynamic , but nonetheless, it reminds me a bit of my RCBS mold.

Some of my .30 cal rifles have shot this particular bullet real well, others " so - so ".

Ben

[Blammer]

Made it to the range today.

Used the COD in my 30-06, tested 22,24,25, and 26gr of 2400 at 100yds.
Tested two sizes, .309 and .311.

22gr had two touching at 100yds and one an inch out, both in .309 and .311
the higher charges just produced shotgun patterns.

[Gun_nut83]

I'm sorry, this may make me sound stupid, but why do you call it the Crayola of Death? Either way nice groups and excellent rounds.

[RED333]

I'm sorry, this may make me sound stupid, but why do you call it the Crayola of Death? Either way nice groups and excellent rounds.

When it is put into a 300 BO case, it looks like a crayon, with powder coat it really looks like a crayon.

Nice report Blammer, thanks.

[Castloader]

I have that mould in GC variety and shot some test loads through my 300BO AR. I guessed on a powder charge of IMR 4227 and shot sub 2" at 50 yards the first time out, with my lube and sized .311" I tried similar loads powder coated,GC, with and without lube, and didn't get as good results. My hope was that powder coating would allow for higher velocity with accuracy than would normally be expected from cast boolit from a 1-8" twist barrel, but MUCH more testing will be required.

I'm about to try the same thing, same boolit, same gun, what was your charge weight? My barrel is 1-7 so it might overspin this little guy. I was gonna try charges between 8-10gr.

[Castloader]

Made it to the range today.

Used the COD in my 30-06, tested 22,24,25, and 26gr of 2400 at 100yds.
Tested two sizes, .309 and .311.

22gr had two touching at 100yds and one an inch out, both in .309 and .311
the higher charges just produced shotgun patterns.

What's the twist rate on your barrel?

[Blammer]

standard 10T 30-06

[Castloader]

30-06s are almost always 1-10" twist.

As for your 1-7" twist 300BO, try 17gr 4227 and work backwards. 4227 will have reasonable load density, and if your boolits are hard enough, you might be OK at 16gr, or just a little less. 1/2gr increments is a pretty good "ladder" for testing.

I took this bullet to the range yesterday with my chrono. I zeroed with a known load prior to shooting these. Here are the results:
Load: COD Plain Base Powder Coated, sized to .311 loaded to the front edge of the driving band
LC case, CCI #450 Small Rifle Magnum primer
1:7" twist 16" barrel LMT Defender 2000 AR-15 type
bullets were cast and powder coated more than a month ago Air Cooled Wheel Weights

IMR 4227
Grains Velocity
17.0 1935
16.5 1904
16.0 1823
15.5 1777
15.0 1707
14.5 1716
14.0 1668
13.5 1541
13.0 1484
12.5 1393

Accuracy was strictly horrible. shooting at a 17" x 13" paper target, most rounds were off paper until the lower velocities. Even then, group size was over 7" at 25yd. I don't know if even lower velocities would work. I know from threads over at 300blktalk.com that it's a twist rate issue. Guys with 10 and 12 twist guns are pushing this boolit to high velocity with good accuracy. I have a 1:7 twist and it's way too fast.

[Castloader]

You may have several issues contributing to your inaccuracy. My 16" barrel is 1-8" twist and shot sub 2" at 50 yards with 16-17.5gr 4227 the first time out. A 1-7" should be capable of 7/8s velocity of my slower twist with the same boolits. My boolits were water dropped, so likely 10bhn harder than your air cooled WWs. You PCed-I use conventional lube, AND I had a GC in place. There is a distinct possibility that your softer plain base boolits are being cut by powder gas as they pass the gas port.

Maybe on the gas cutting, but this is near pistol velocities, I wouldn't expect it to happen much. I'll try to capture some fired boolits and see. I have no way of testing the GC version since I don't have it. I may try a lubed boolit, but only if I really feel like it. I don't mess with lube much and even if it worked, I'd prefer to stay PC'd

[Blammer]

I think water dropping them will work better, they do in my gun, the Air cooled just won't group compared to the water cooled.