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    410 - 00 or 000???

    Hi guys,

    I was wondering if I have to choose between the two which would be best in a 410 shell either plastic or brass?

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    Depends on what your trying to do Nomad.

    For home defense I have my 12 Gauge loaded with 7 1/2's, so I don't have to worry so much about a round going through a wall and killing someone I can't even see.

    At inside the house ranges it hardly makes a difference what you use. Your talking bloody rat hole big enough to shove a fist in either way.

    Where those balls go "After" the bad guy is down is quite another thing.

    Just my opinion of course, yours or the next guys may vary.

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    Federal makes a 3" .410 load of 5 - 000 buck that is truly amazing out of full choke gun. I have witnessed an 8" pattern @ 25 yds and 2 of 5 pellets in a snuff can @ 50 yds. They are copper coated lead pellets. I have had decent results with 5 - 00 handloads.

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    I cast and load 000 buck for 12 guage and 410 . 4 pellets of 000 is a perfect fit in 410 .

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    4 000's fit in a 2.5" hull, and a 3" hull will take 5 ea. 000's fit in the wad a little nicer.

    I haven't been able to get a really nice Star Crimp with ballz yet simply because the crimp really requires the shot to support it from underneath.

    I am going to buy a BPI Roll Crimping tool soon and do it that way. All of the Factory slug and buckshot loads I have seen had roll crimps.

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    Thanks for the replies. Sorry is should have given more detail. I have my 12ga for "home" defence normally loaded with mixed #7.5 and LG (000) and slugs on the saddle. The idea is to carry a couple of buck shells for the unexpected pig or medium size game while out with my CYA Alas combo its a .22lr over 410 with 3" chamber.

    I was just wondering which 00 or 000 fit the best in a 410 shell. 410 stuff is close to unobtainable in RSA. So I will be loading with home made wads and cards.

    Cheers nomadSA
    Last edited by nomadSA; 05-30-2014 at 01:58 PM.

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    Where is RSA? 000's would be the best and like I said above 4 will fit in a 2.5" hull and 5 will fit in a 3" hull.

    Do you know about Ballistic Products Inc.? They are a one stop shop for all things related to shotshell reloading.

    http://www.ballisticproducts.com/

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    RSA is the Republic of South Africa. If using for defence against dangerous game go with the heaviest paylod of the largest shot. Hard cast SSG or 000 should do the work well.

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    In that case by all means, load er to the max and hope its enough.

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    Now that I know we are talking Africa, I believe I'd take the 12 ga. along too!

    Standing a charge from a Male Lion with a .410 reminds me of the cartoon where the Little Mouse is giving the finger to the diving Screaming Eagle as the "Last Act of Defiance."

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    The Brenneke 1/4 ounce slug is north of 800 ft lbs and nothing to sneer at. Effect would be similar to hot 10mm.

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    Good thread. Buckshot is the next thing on my list. I ordered my 410 roll crimp from BPI today along with overshot cards and some fiber wads. I have the shot maker set up and ready to go to make #6 shot. Next weekend will likely be the day I try and load some. I have the powder and primers, just have to take the leap.

    I would be carrying something bigger we me in Africa. Not too many things here in the contiguous US that will kill you or eat you. To me, being on the menu sounds kind of risky and I would want more fire power if out in the bush.
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    $14.24 each when you buy four. That's a bit pricey. It could cost a pretty penny to work up a load and sight it in. Does have a high cool factor.
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    $.65 each is pretty stout and you still have to buy components. A 41 mold would pay for itself pretty quick

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    No lions where live just leopard, baboon and bushpigs.

    I would love to get my hands om some of thoes slugs but I am pretty sure with postage to RSA the price will more than double and that is if they would send it

    I can get my hands on a Lee roundball mould in 360 for about the equivalent of $23 think its a double cavity but might be single cavity. Still getting al the information. Or 18 cavity "00" one for about $85. I am liking the idea of the .360 cavity more at the moment both on price and the fact that I will be able to make up round ball loads for me 357mag.

    Now just to wait and hear if is double cavity. Anybody got a 000 load for 2.5" and 3" with IMR 4227 or 2400?

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    Last edited by nomadSA; 06-01-2014 at 02:10 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Up to 18.5 grains of IMR 4227 for 1/2 ounce pay-load, which is a little more than 3 #000s at around 208 grains. But three .36 caliber balls hitting at once will smoke just about anything short of a lion or a bear, way out of proportion to its energy of around 600 ft lbs plus.

    .410 Bore (IMR Data) 2 1/2" Federal Target Shells

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    Shot Powder Type Manufacturer Charge Primer Wad Velocity
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 17.5 Fed. 209A CB1050-41 1,200
    Remarks: psi: 12,200
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 17.5 Fed. 209A Fed. 410SC 1,200
    Remarks: psi: 12,200
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 17.0 Fed. 209A PC410 1,150
    Remarks: psi: 12,500
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 18.5 Rem. 209P Rem. SP410 1,200
    Remarks: psi: 10,700
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 18.0 Win. 209 CB1050-41 1,150
    Remarks: psi: 11,300
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 18.5 Win. 209 PC410 1,200
    Remarks: psi: 11,800
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 18.0 Win. 209 Rem. SP410 1,200
    Remarks: psi: 12,000
    1/2 Ounce IMR-4227 IMR 17.0 Fed. 209A Rem. SP410 1,150
    Remarks: psi: 12,000
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    Thank you!!

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    410 -00 , 000 or 0000

    With some more searching I have found a 0000 (.375) double cavity mold for not much more than the cost of the 000 (.360) single cavity mold. I have no real means to check the choke on my Atlas combo, but a 9mmP brass case easily passes through its so if I see this correctly the choke should be larger than .390

    I will double check just in case I accidentally used a 9mm short case but even so I think the 375 should be fine if I look at the info provided by Turbo1889 hear http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...0-shotgun-slug #11

    The mold will have to double as buckshot ammo for the 410 and 12 gauge until I can get my hands (or should I say save up) for a 18 cavity 00 mold, but I believe it is possible to load 6 to 8 balls in a 12 gauge shell.

    It just feels like the 375 D/C mold is better value?


    Cheers
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    Nomad, if you want to use the .375 balls in the 12 gauge, you may want to see if they fit 2 per stack. I know .360 (OOO) will. .375 may require a .750 bore size. More appropriate to 10 gauge, I would think.
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