filler materail for 410 brass cases

[barrabruce]

Finally got some magtec 2 1/2" 410 brass cases.
So I will shoot some 410's occasionally. (considering the price of commercial stuff).
Gathered a few odds and sods.
Federal large pistol primers
a 45 colt case for wad cutting etc etc.
Powder 2400 13 gn load for 1//2 ounce charge.

These will be used in a 3" bore and I have been thinking.

I loaded a few with and over powder wad then a few wads cut from the foam plates that come in meat packages.
Another cardboard wad then laid 2 strips cross shaped of thin cardboard to make a wad.
An over shot wad in the case end down hard on the pellets.

They should go bang!!!

What else can one use between the powder and shot
.
I have been thinking that a measure of cream of wheat (farra)or simular instead of having to cut lots of packing wads.

Last time I looked I couldn't source 12 gauge let alone 410 gauge wads local in FN Qld Aust.
And I hate to even think how much a bag of shot is worth if it was obtainable.



Or maybe even a wad of toilet paper.

I don't want to create a potential blow up or to use weird and exotic things but just get the job done.

I may try and find some corkboard if I can.

I may try some milk bottle plastic rectangles rolled to encompass the shot as Winchester does.



I plan on using shot from some old and dubious looking 12 guage cases till I maybe make a shot maker.


Anyone have any great suggestions????

I have read a few threads on this but haven't come up with too much.
Then again my search foo is pretty weak.

Thanks
Barra

[too many things]

if you go to a water hole get the drink coasters . BUD works the best .LOL --- over the shot use a lid from a cottage cheese or yogurt or the like
there is guy on feebay that will cut any size punch the .046 fits tight for the top but may bee too tight for over powder

[barrabruce]

Thanks I'll have to go and borrow a few drink costers then.
I'll look for the new and not soggy wet ones.

I proceeded to find some wheat bran which looks interesting and loaded a few up with that as a buffer between the powder and shot wads.

Should go bang and I can feed the birds while shooting them.
cheers

Maybe a while to I get to the range as I'm in the heart of a ex cyclone at present and we should get a shirt load of rain.

Barra

C

[HiVelocity]

Just a trick I used on once fired 444 Marlin cases in .410 is 4 pieces of 0-buckshot over a charge of Unique. I thumb pressed a 44 gas check cup down in the case mouth, then ran
the case into a 308 seater die to crimp lightly.

You could do likewise with 1/2 oz of shot. Just food for thought.

HV

[AndyC]

And I hate to even think how much a bag of shot is worth if it was obtainable.

$54 per 25lb for magnum #9 shot - just bought some at Bass Pro to get started loading .410 myself

[barrabruce]

Well the media worried up in too a fine tither about the impending doom (ex cyclone). But nothing drastic happened at all this time. Phew

Went down the range to have a look around and cleared away a few branches over the track and all being good.
No-one else turned up so I fired 5 of these loads and went home.

The best was the wheat bran between the wads and a milk carton rectangle pellet wad with thin cardboard.

They seemed a bit better patterning and less fouling.
The wads of packaging meat foam between the paper wads seemed the worst.
They were all mild recoil and left what appeared to unburnt or burnt powder grains in the bore.

Mild but useable and a good start to things.

I think that the 3" chamber and 2 1/2" cases and the wads I'm using is allowing a bit of blowby with the wheat germ sealing a bit better.
I may have a go at some gas check type wads used in the Winchester super X cases.
I didn't take any commercial ammo along to compare.

Still do a snake in for sure as is .

Thanks for the suggestions fellas.

I let you 's know if I can do better.
Thanks
Barra

[eljefeoz]

Mate, Safari firearms in NSW have Win and Rem .410 wads.I just got a bag today. $15 for 250+ post
Bertam 2.5 inch Brass shells.
Fed mag Pistol primers
The Win handbook gives Win 296 for 2.5 inch case (Plastic) Thats our AR2205.
I should know by next week...
Cheers

[Tackleberry41]

I use plastic milk jugs to make a gas seal in 410 all brass formed from 9.3x74r shells. A couple are not hard to punch out with a cheap set of hollow punches from HF. Then some cardboard wads. Use cream of wheat between the .395 RB I have been loading, plus a cardboard disc between each.

[barrabruce]

I,ll have to try some plastic wad before the cardboard ones.

I ended up talking the wife out for lunch to obtain a couple of drink coasters.

Talk about an expensive way to get some wads.

Hell I could've got a whole bag full mailed up cheaper.

Since I hadn't taking her out for a long time...she reckons it was a good thing and I should do it more often.

Who's bright idea was it to use them in the first place?????



Any way I hope the Bertram cases work out better than the Mangtec ones.
I got a couple that they relieve drilled the primer pockets too long an one just about falls out on its own.
The recesses are all over the place.
Never. mind a bit of soot or nail polish ought to make it useable
Barra

[eljefeoz]

Is the problem with primer pockets happening with the Bertram or Magtec cases?

[barrabruce]

Magtec cases.

They countersink them so you can get the primers in easy...so as I'm lead to believe.
They are all over the place but all but one is still quite usable.

I fired it off with the rest on the week-end and had no issues with it but as I compressed the wads down the primer backed out of the case

I 'll nail polish the primer in when I find it next and see if it will build up enough layers of muck to be a bit firmer.

I had trouble with the plastic milk container wad not going straight down the case and forming a seal.
I used a 45/70 case chopped off short which gives me a wad over the outside diameter of the case.
The theory being it would hopefully seal the 3" chamber and barrel better.
A wad of waxy lube between wads...appeared to not do anything marvellous. except keep the fouling together.

Well its a good start and it ain't earth shattering . But they are pretty consistant.

I have to get some butchers paper and peg them all out and blast away.

Pattern seemed pretty consistant and no big donut ring technology.

Barra

[Tackleberry41]

Trick with the milk jug wads is the right size punch to push them down with. I have a set of the set up punches used in machine work, can usually find just the right size in there for most projects, dont think I have ever actually used them for their intended purpose.

[eljefeoz]

Barra, do you want a couple of the Bertram ones to compare? I'm awaiting imperial size wad punches,which I picked up from evilbay to do the wad thing. Couldnt pick up the .410 Shotty as planned, as some oxygen thief decided to swipe my plates on Thu.Long weekend and I'm not driving around with no plates and guns in car...maybe this week? then I'll get around to fireforming some cases out of the Boxer primed Win .303 brass.

[barrabruce]

Barra, do you want a couple of the Bertram ones to compare?

Sorry to hear about the car. ********!!!!

No I'm fine thanks...I'm happy with what I got to use its all fine.

Just relaying what I find.

Unless there 3" long ones!!!!

I tried 303 brass well 303-25 actually but they were well used and brittle. 30+ yr old super brass
I thought that I annealed them enough but they didn't work out to well for me.

got a pic of the plastic wads I found at the range and when I work out this new camera I'll post them up.
Been busy to do anything wonderfull lately.

Thanks tackleberry
I found a drill bit pretty close fitting and the plastic over sized wads went in well and didn't cant at all.

Think I'll make something like a wooden original loader for my self.



Bruce

[trapper9260]

Have anyone use cork that is use to make gaskets for wads between powder and shot? Just thinking because some wads are made of corks.It also come in a roll and cut what ever size you want also.

[barrabruce]

Gasket cork never tried it.
Cork tiles either
But I believe the premium older style loads used them.
Seems cork is easier to get now than felt hats to chop up.

[eljefeoz]

Where do you get felt hats?
I tried the .45acp lee loader to resize the Bertram cases- were a good fit. Will know more when they're fired...
Will keep you posted.

[eljefeoz]

Barra, I cut up one of the 'pool sausages' I found around the house.Seems like an ok, springy wad material for the .410 Need to experiment a bit with it and meat tray foam
The Bertram brass-got the .410 yesterday, and 8 / 20 wouldnt chamber.So I whacked them into the .45 Lee Loader and they went in easier after that.
The .303 brass-ONLY 5/30 would chamber-because rims > 1.56mm.Some were 1.72 mm...
Looks like I have to make a jig to give the .303 rims a uniform grind down

[Cap'n Morgan]

Paper pulp (paper mache) http://familycrafts.about.com/cs/pap...a/blpmpulp.htm made from old newspapers are great for making wads. You can either mold the wads using a simple drilled mold made from wood, aluminum or what ever you have have, or you can flatten the pulp mass to the thickness you want and punch out the wads once the pulp has dried.

[220]

I got a couple that they relieve drilled the primer pockets too long an one just about falls out on its own.
The recesses are all over the place.
Never. mind a bit of soot or nail polish ought to make it useable
Barra

Sounds similar to my experience 20% of my magtec 410 had oversize primer pockets. You could seat primers with your finger, tap the the case head against the bench and they would fall back out.
9.3x74r cases I firmed into 3" shells work much better.
Flick me a PM with a postage address and Ill send you a few 1/2" fibre wads, brass 410 cases are bigger internally than plastic so you need larger wads, standard plastic wads don't seem to work real well in brass. I use 44cal wads loading mine.