recently, while out of town, on one of my trips, for work, ya know, I stopped at a supply store for reloading supplies. there, in a dusty old box, under the shelf full of new powder, was 11, yes, 11!!! pounds of Scot Brigadier 4831 powder!!!! after some bargaining, it ALL went home with me!! Never can have too much 4831, of ANY persuasion!! and, it was VERY reasonable priced. Still sealed, cans in excellent shape, and stored in temp and humidity controlled magazine, to boot. Sometimes you get lucky.