High performance buckshot - revisited...

[Hogtamer]

I've got a bunch of the Federal flite control wads but haven't got any load data. The guy that demilled them said 32 grns of longshot was in the shell but I wouldn't swear to it.

[jmort]

I would just use regular data and not red-line it. I was going to get some unslit wads and mimic the Flite-Control wad. Cut the gas seal in sections and some reverse flaps on the wad body. The wad is designed to be an "air-brake" and slow down quickly so the payload keeps on going naked. If you look at the Patent, it looks simple to mimic. Just a lot of hand work with a razor knife. Any chance you could send me one to examine?

[cpileri]

Oh, my mistake: if its just like a flitecontrol wad, then i have some de-milled ones as well.
I'll post a pic tomorro wor soon.

Actually, i thought I did somewhere in the past...

[Hogtamer]

C, check pm.

[Greg5278]

Yes, it's like the flight control wad. I was using the Ranger Plus Wads and CSD wads for my Version.
I didn't bother to touch the Gas Seal. I wouldn't cut the gas Seal, unless You plan on putting a BPGS or similar nesting seal under it. I believe that James Gates had some Luck with using regular LBC Wads from BPI, but cut in 2 slits. He also had a Cork over the Buckshot that seemed to tighten long range patterns up a bit. The Though was to delay the Wad opening, without causing a Doughnut pattern.

I did Manage a heavy Load of 47-#4 Buck in the 12 Ga Federal .090" Hull. It worked pretty well with the Teflon Wrap, but wasn't a 50 yards Load. You just can't get that much Shot in any other Hull. The Load could be recreated and use Lil Gun. My Tested Data converts easily to a known amount of Lil gun.
Greg
AKA 12 Bore

[cpileri]

Here's that pic, BTW:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post2586040

greg,
I like your posts/data because you don't BS anyone: if its not a 50 yd load, you say so. If its over pressure, you say so and have the test data to prove it, etc. Gives confidence in your advice. Just my 2cents.

C-

[Blood Trail]

Greg,
Can you draw a picture (or send me oen to post) of the 'reverse petal' cut?

BT,
Hopw many pellets you got in there?

I believe it was 42. That's in a 3.5" unslit wad.

[Blood Trail]

[RMc]

Note: This Precision Reloading wad is the same as the 20 gauge CSD wad only pre-slit.

https://www.precisionreloading.com/c...=TUW&i=SBL2024

OK, i finally got to trying the 3&1/2buckshot in a few wads, and they do self-stack into layers of 2 in a 20ga CSD wad, with 16 pellets (427gr) filling the wad:


Attachment 121746They fit in layers of 3 in other wads, which isnt what I was after.

My thinking is that where they give up .01" (.26" vs .27") and 2-to-4 pellets to factory no3buckshot offerings, the combination of layers of 2, plus containment in the wad, plus lack of bore scrubbing causing distorted pellets and flyers; all should tighten up the pattern compared to factory no3buck loads that are stuffed in the hull causing dimpling.

Just need to slice some petals (CSD wads have no petals) and get some ~1oz load data (427gr is between 15/16oz and 1oz) and try them out.

C-

[Hogtamer]

Ralph, very nice to see you posting. I commented to another member just this week that I missed your erudite input. Especially that I found a unicorn last week - a pound of green dot!

[cpileri]

Ralph,
Thank you so much! That will save me a bit of work.
I have this 4 bladed arrow set up I concocted which works but its a pain.
C-

[RMc]

Both are simply B&P wads.

http://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en...l/1/index.aspx

Note: This Precision Reloading wad is the same as the 20 gauge CSD wad only pre-slit.

https://www.precisionreloading.com/c...=TUW&i=SBL2024

[Greg5278]

I know They are both made in Italy by B&P. It is just confusing for BPI and PR to Market Them as Different Products. PR might even have some Unslit if You ask. I just dislike BPI, and try to do only minimal Business with Them. Their old Slug Manual was somewhat of a Joke, and some Loads wouldn't even fit to Chamber.
How do They pressure Test a Load than Can't be Chambered? Their Sabots Loads were also really Suspect, and released without proper testing.
Greg
AKA 12 Bore

[Blood Trail]

Their old Slug Manual was somewhat of a Joke, and some Loads wouldn't even fit to Chamber.

This is true. So, so true.

[RMc]

I appreciate your kind words.

Ralph, very nice to see you posting. I commented to another member just this week that I missed your erudite input. Especially that I found a unicorn last week - a pound of green dot!

[Blood Trail]

Ralph, very nice to see you posting. I commented to another member just this week that I missed your erudite input. Especially that I found a unicorn last week - a pound of green dot!

HT,

We got a load of GreenDot in these parts. PM me.

[RMc]

Ran across this interesting approach to pulling an unslit shotcup away from the shotcharge. In essence using a drag to create the effect of a flite control wad!

ShotCup with Droge:

http://underhammers.blogspot.com/201...ten-magic.html

[jmort]

Ralph, very nice to see you posting. I commented to another member just this week that I missed your erudite input. Especially that I found a unicorn last week - a pound of green dot!

Yes indeed

[RMc]

Yes indeed

Thank you.

[megasupermagnum]

I wanted to add that I have personally tried quite a bit to make my own "flite-control" wads. I only got moderate success, and all were a PITA. I tried with multi-metal, turkey ranger, sam 1, and VP70 (now PT series from BPI) wads. I found quickly that slitting the gas seal does nothing. On Federal flitecontrol wads, the gas seal section is about 1" long. They end up like a real shuttle cock when fired, and honestly, I bet they could release shot with that alone, without the cuts in the wad body. A regular gas seal does nothing to slow or stabilize the wad, slit or not. Next, multi-metals are next to impossible to slit in this fashion. The best result I got was with the VP70, however, patterns were not significantly tighter than regular slits. Usually the 4 slits 3/4 the way down like most slit wads come give about the best patterns. I sometimes find that going down to 3 slits 3/4 the way down can improve patterns. I have yet to find a load that patterns best with 2 slits. A big problem I had with my flitecontrol wads was that if the slits were off, they would throw strings of patterns. A wad that stays with the shot longer should throw tighter patterns, but its not worth anything if the shot doesn't release cleanly from the wad. As I said, I had moderate success with the VP70. Slit with rear brakes, it did throw a tighter pattern than the same load with 4 slits. The thing is that the same load with a turkey ranger wad and 4 slits throws an even tighter pattern. I did most of this testing with #5 lead shot, and was hoping to maximize my gun for turkey. I shot the Multi-metal wads with #3 steel shot. That steel shot load was absolutely terrible. Very inconsistent, and an absolute pain to slit in that manner.

I'll be honest, I have not read this whole thread, but will list my favorite buckshot load. It's probably the best patterning load I have ever shot through my Benelli Nova, and with an extended full choke. I would feel confident taking a coyote at 60 yards, and I'm sure it would be lethal at 70 as well.

3" Federal PB (plastic base)
Federal 209A
32gr Bluedot
Ranger Elite (new version of Turkey ranger, only comes pre slit 4 times) If spacers are needed, I use 20 ga felt wads *80 pounds wad pressure*
1 3/4 oz F buck (I use regular buck, and get great patterns. BPI has nickel-plated #F if you prefer. I forget my exact count but 1 3/4 oz should be about 49 pellets)
BPI original buffer
Fold crimp

I have never shot these over a chrony, but pressure should be about 10,800 psi, and velocity 1150 fps.
B