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Thread: Lee Enfield no.4 mk1/2

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    Lee Enfield no.4 mk1/2

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    That'll clean up alright. New barrel and away you go.
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    Got one in your back pocket?
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    At least you don't have to guess why it was designated ZUF. The UK had so many designations for degrees of wear and damage that the question often comes up on forums as to what does this designation mean and what could cause the rifle to be so designated? Is it safe to shoot, etc?

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    I shot this rifle with no drama. But there was a piece of paper glued over the green paint on the butt stock. I didn't take that off till after. Now I'm scared to shoot it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilking View Post
    Got one in your back pocket?
    Not as such but there are a few still around. Put a .30cal on it and chamber to .30-40 Krag.
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    Way beyond my capabilities my friend.
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    What do you see when you look down the barrel? Where is the bulge? And how bad?
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    Can't find a bulge.

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    Have you thought that the stock might have been replaced, and they'd put a piece of paper over it? I'd slug it and see if there is a change in resistance when pushing the slug through..

    And.. wasn't there some guy who built a machine to find out if and where barrels were bulged.. ah, yes ..

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ugging-machine

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    Could be several rifles were set aside and Z marked, this one due to non repairable headspace problem, then when painting the rest of the marking they got this one mixed up with another in that batch that had a bulged barrel.
    A star gauge or bore scope should spot an internal bulge.
    With headspace of .079 (as you mentioned on the headspace thread) its not safe to fire.
    You might get away with firing many rounds then one day a case head blows out and you lose an eye.
    If no combination of bolt bodies and bolt heads can reduce headspace to .074 or less the rifle is ruined.

    One thing you might check though is whether there's a visible gap between the internal shoulder of the receiver ring and the breech end of the barrel shank.
    The No.4 rifles were torqued on the barrel shoulder and receiver ring interface. The SMLE was torqued at breech of barrel and internal shoulder.
    If properly fitted each should touch at both positions but a small gap at receiver ring face was allowable for the SMLE so long as there was full contact and proper torque at the internal shoulder.
    I've seen a few No.4 actions with gap at the internal shoulder but only one did not have reasonable headspace. That one example was downgraded to DP though otherwise in excellent condition, but no combination of known good bolt bodies and a NOS #3 bolt head could bring it into safe headspace specs.

    I'd look for a rifle in good condition and strip the ZF rifle for parts.
    You might clean up the wood and use it and the bands and such to restore a bubba'ed sporter .
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    I'm looking for a bolt head. The one that's on it is a #2 and measures .630
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    As many worn out old Enfields as there are in the world and as popular as they are, I can't believe nobody makes replacement barrels for them.

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    Maybe that's an idea for a group buy from the likes of Criterion. 100 SMLE barrels, 100 No4 barrels.
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    Great Idea. Ill take one
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffinNZ View Post
    Maybe that's an idea for a group buy from the likes of Criterion. 100 SMLE barrels, 100 No4 barrels.
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    I'd expect that you could get whatever setup price break there was down at a lower number
    of barrels, like 20 or so. Does anyone have a legit military blueprint so that a maker didn't
    have to spend a bunch of time trying to figure out what to make? I think if someone showed
    up with a blueprint to a barrel maker and wanted 20 barrels "to print" they might get a pretty
    darned good price. Make it easy on the guy if you want a good price.

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    I had heard a rumor that Criterion will be offering No4 barrels. I shot them an e-mail. They confirmed it. They are still in development, so no release date yet. However, they probably have the dimensions.

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    I have spoken to them at Criterion - are in development-would not hurt to call them and show interest-Also checked on importing some from AU but end cost for a GOOD new made barrel with all the fees was close to $300-not likely to interest to many of the milsurp folks I know!

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    To check for bulging, ive always just ran a tight patch on a rod down the barrel to see if there was anywhere that had less resistance.

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    I've done they same as Bullshop junior. I have a S&W 27-2 with a bulge in it and with the right load shoots less than an inch at 25 yards. This was my brother-in-laws gun I bought after he passed.
    There are many dealers in surplus gun parts so if you check around you might be able to come up eith a barrel.
    I imagine there is even a forum for them as they are popular guns.

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