9 point vs subsonic cast lead powder coated hollow point

[taco650]

Congrats on a nice buck! Thx for showing the autopsy pics as well.

As far as the ethics of hunting subsonic, I really don't see a performance difference between your load for the 300BO and a 44Special loaded with a 240swc at 800-950fps. Sure, its quieter (and that's not a problem for me) but does anyone think the deer will know the difference? The only true difference is the person pulling the trigger. If they're judgment, knowledge and skills are lacking then there will be problems.

[gds]

Went out yesterday morning and took video of the blood trail. no I am not a professional camera man

[hicard]

I assume those are maggots?

[gds]

I assume those are maggots?

No that would be corn. It is not illegal to bait Deer with Corn in North Carolina.

[taco650]

I assume those are maggots?

I thought the same thing until I watched the video. It's easier to see in the video.

[gds]

You know i kind of feel silly. i looked at the pic again and yeah they kind of do look like maggots don't they

[redneckdan]

In your experience, how far do the deer usually travel after a good heart/lung hit with a heavy sub sonic 30 cal? How far do you usually find first sign of blood trail from the position of the deer at impact?

[freebullet]

Contrasts!!! That's a nice deer, & a heck of a setup. No ear plugs required, eh? Most times I've hit the liver they died where they stood. Good job!

[gds]

In your experience, how far do the deer usually travel after a good heart/lung hit with a heavy sub sonic 30 cal? How far do you usually find first sign of blood trail from the position of the deer at impact?

With a Good lung or liver shot I have never had a deer travel more than 50 yds before they were permanently on the ground. Before using the 300 blk I used a .308 winchester. And the same thing here. When hit in the lungs and/or liver they were on the ground in less than 50 yds.

As far as blood trail that has varied. Not including neck shots or spine shots. The ones only shot in the lungs or liver, I have had an immediate blood trail to no blood trail. It all seems to depend on what the round does on entrance and exit.

I have used
178gr AMAX. Before the above buck this was my best blood trail. immediate blood splatter and then a decent volume of spray. The 6 point was on the ground in less than 30 yds. Now This one could be a little biased because it was after a fresh snow. But also the bullet tumbled some and i think this helped

200gr low velocity prototype expanding bullet. A jacketed lead core deep hollow point. somewhat similar to outlaw state bullets, if you are familiar with them. The 3 i shot thru the lungs with this were close together in blood trail. blood at impact site and then some small droplets for about 10 to 20 yards then a relatively easy blood trail, till on the ground between 30-40 yds. I did have one of these I hit in the shoulders and she tried to walk, but laid down 3 times before ending up in a thicket.

The NOE Cast 247 unmodified. the first one i shot with this i found zero blood trail, but she was on the ground in less then 25 yds. Just a few tiny specks at the impact site. The other one, a 6 point was DRT. After i shot I thought he had ran because the smoke from the shot blurred everything for a second. imagine my surprise when I got out of the blind and there he was right where I had shot him.

The above 9 point is without a doubt the most blood trail I have seen hitting them in the lungs/liver area.

[djc]

What did you use to hollow point your bullets?

Thanks

[gds]

What did you use to hollow point your bullets?

Thanks

No problem. I use the forster hollow point jig.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/371...ow-pointer-1-8

it is designed to be used on a loaded round.
the supplied bit is ok and can be used in a forster trimmer as well as an old pacific trimmer that I have. It may work in others. But the bit is shorter than i like for the deep hollow point. So I clamp the round in a set of soft jaws in my drill press and use a 1/8 drill bit to get the depth i want. the trick is you have to go very slow and use lots of lubricant.

[OBXPilgrim]

Nice job.
Just heard the other day that cans were legal to hunt with in NC. Hadn't read it the regs yet.

[-Mischief]

Ahhh...I hate NY state laws!! I want a suppressor!

[gds]

Nice job.
Just heard the other day that cans were legal to hunt with in NC. Hadn't read it the regs yet.

You won't read it in the regs. The booklet was printed before the General Assembly passed and before Governor McCrory signed it.

the Last time i checked the this was the only thing listed on the web site

http://www.ncwildlife.org/News/NewsA...8/Default.aspx

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

while not exactly cast I am using factory foster slugs from a 12 ga 1600fps where i hunted opening weekend , i shot a spike double lung hit 15 minutes into the season lots of blood and lung matter in the logging road i shot it in , decent blood trail , followed it nearly 150 yards to the deer , he just didn't seem to know he was dead till he ran dry.

I have a cousin who shoots the fancy sabots at 2 dollars a shell his deer are not dropping any faster than my deer with plain old slugs

and I was always impressed by the stopping powder of my muzzle loader that i shoot my own cast from

If your getting 30-50 yards for a deer I think you can definitely justify ethical

I would like to thank all of you for your research , I have a load for my 30-30 that my 10 year old son really likes to shoot it is going 14-1500fps , I was worried it wasn't fast enough , with all of this sub sonic and other posts with 300 blk-out at 1500 , 30-06 at 1800 but a more than hundred yard shot , I now feel much more confident that a 170 gr flat nose if well placed even at 14-1500 fps will take a doe reasonably at 50 yards which is where i feel his shooting ability limits him to.
and at about 7 cents each for my cost he can shoot lots of them at the range for practice

this week is muzzle loader season and i am going out friday i hope , but next week we are in a rifle doe only season and i am talking the boy out

[gds]

Pete.

We are really doing what was done for many a year before high velocity jacket soft points became the new "ethical" way of harvesting deer. If you want to build some confidence in the round you are using. Stack a bunch of wet newspapers, phone books or the like about 20 inches, at least, deep. or about 6 - 8 gallon jugs in a line. It is not "scientific" however it is a cheap alternative, that gives you an idea, of what the bullet may do.

[Smoke4320]

Just to add to GDS's comments .. I just killed a 6 point with a 300 blkout and 159Gr FP lead cast
65 yds approx. and he ran a whole 35 yds and piled up .. you can look at pics on the "4 firsts" posts in this forum.. It has sure changed my mind on what I will carry if I have a 100yd or less shot
and yes we are really going back to what was the turn of the century loads/velocities before all the magazines and bullet makers pushed max speed/ more costly whizz bang projectiles

[TheGrimReaper]

Awsomeness, I love the pics!!!

[missionary5155]

Greetings and Congradulations !
Excellent in all aspects !
What is your barrel twist ? I ask due to being a 300 BLK shooter also. I bought the 247 mold and look forward to working it next time up north.
Have you tried 50-50 mix ? At those slow velocities I wonder what base pressure is ? Certainly cannot be much at all.
I do know 50-50 out of my SKS (155 grains at 1550) does not break up in water jugs.
Range lead (mine) at about 1000 fps in my 44WCF turns inside but does not break off.
But that broke off nose does give a secondary projectile inside the cavity causing havock.
This is very informative and I have much enjoyed the read and excellent photos !
Mike in Peru

[Magana559]

First of all Congratulations!
second of all, thank you for the internals photos. I always like to see real world ballistics and would channels.