I find it odd that all the dry tumble in HF red that I did never would get the smooth gloss coating that they should and yet so far every single one of my ES coated with HR red look like shiny candy. I didn't change a thing to the oven and still cook them for the same amount of time. But I had to coat mine at least twice to not fail and three times if I wanted to be sure they wouldn't fail and also look good. And yet I can ES coat and bake once and they are good. I don't get it.