Color Coated Rifle Bullets (MCC2)

[WiederladerTV]

Some month ago I posted my recipe for color coated bullets on Youtube and I was very happy with the result...but not happy enough to stopp using the little thing on top of my neck.

So I tested new materials for the coated boolitz and I create a new recipe which is cheaper, faster to apply, more durable and works fantastic in all my handguns. After 100-200 rounds of the new MCC2 bullets my Barrel was clean and shiny...so why not give it a try for rifle bullets???

Today I produce the first 50 rounds in .309. I wanna test them in my FR8 (Spanish Mauser) with 13gr of IMR Trail Boss. This should be enough to reach round about 1400fps. If it works I'll increase the load (not Trail Boss) and test velocities of 1800fps, 2000fps, 2200fps and so on. The Goal is an Level of 2900-3000fps if everything is working good.



Are you interested in videos of these testings? If you, I'll make some of the testing. I would like to shoot 50 rounds with each load and after this I check the Barrel etc. If everything works fine I'am happy to share the recipe with you at the end if not I damage not more than an old FR8...and maybee you see a kaboom on Video
I'll start testing next week.

So if you interested please leave a comment.

[SDGarrick]

how does this method differ from some of the powder coating methods on the site?

[AlaskanGuy]

Welcome to the site..... I wanna see your experiment...

AG

[why.kyle]

I'm interested! Is this still an epoxy based coating like from your video? Or something totally new?

[Ausglock]

I see you are still using gas checks, So it sort of defeats the purpose of coating.

[jmort]

"If everything works fine I'am happy to share the recipe with you at the end if not I damage not more than an old FR8...and maybee you see a kaboom on Video
I'll start testing next week."

I have watched your "Color Coated Bullets" video three times. Would probably watch your next video at least three times. Very interested. Really nice having you here. In fact you were here in spirit even before you joined us. That is how I found out about Wiederlader TV.

[dbosman]

Yes, yes, da, you bet, youbetcha, absolutely, and YES!
Welcome to the site too.

[Balta]

O yes....already subscribed at your channel.

[cpileri]

I am also interested. I have seen your videos on youtube: basically a tumble coating. What did you do to make it easier?
Yes, still epoxy? which kind?
Does the epoxy (or whatever) allow even distribution of the hexagonal boron nitride for coating/lube?

I have some young female shooters who would LOVE to be able to color their bullets!

C-

[DanWalker]

Yes, Interested to see if you can get to 3000 fps and get decent usable accuracy.

[dverna]

If you can get over 2500 fps, with accuracy, you will have a great product. Hi-Tek has not proven itself accurate at high velocities. Powder coating seems to be better but is a pain to use (IMHO).

I for one would be ecstatic to have a gas checked cast bullet that runs like a jacketed bullet. If the GC can be eliminated, that is great, but a GC is not a deal killer if it is needed. Just my opinion.


Pretty colors are an attraction to many but meaningless to rifle shooters who demand performance. I do not care what color it is if it works.

Don Verna

PS If you can get a good coating with one iteration that is a plus. The shake and bake two or three times for HT is a negative for some of us. HT is nice because you do not need to stand every bullet up. PC is a pain due to the mess of over spray and the need to stand up every bullet just so (or in a jig of some sort) to coat evenly and then transfer to the oven without toppling any - but at least you only need to do it once.

[bangerjim]

Welcome! I really enjoyed your video on coating and that actually got me very interested in the processes and developing others.

I would welcome a video on your new process. I have a reluctance in using something like hex boron and cannot find it locally so I really do not want to use it. I try to source all my materials locally to keep the money in Arizona! I own a business here and support other businesses here as much as possible.

Please post any info you wish to share!

Best regards,

bangerjim

[WiederladerTV]

Ok guys so I'll will make an Video about These test shootings. Like I told you I'll start next week. If it works with 1400fps I'll make further test Shootings with higher velocites. It took a Little bit of time because I can shoot only one time a week. I think it doesn't make sence to post a single Video for every test so I make one with the 1400fps and then I'll make one with all the higher velocites later. After every test Shooting I wanna use a bore camera to check the Barrel so you can see Barrel fowling or not.


To give you the answer about the bullets. I only use GC because the bullet is made for it. After testing different velocites I'll test them without a GC to see if there is a difference in accuracy and Barrel fowling or not.

The coating still based on an epoxy but without a dry lubricant. I apply the epoxy by tumble lube method two times. After the first coat I let them air dry and only cure them in the oven after the last coating. Then I apply the "lube" a very cheap solution normaly used in the household. Size them when dry and repeat the "lube" process. That's it.

Powder coating bullets works great but you have to place every single bullet on a tray...enough space to each bullet so the powder covers every part of the bullet. A Little shake and a bullet drop of the tray and you have to repeat the hole process. Further you waste more powder. This increase the cost for the coating. Just my 50 Cents.

[KYShooter73]

I'm using the electrostatic powder coat now and prefer it because you only bake once. Tumble coating is much easier but I don't like the multiple coating and baking cycles. If you are only baking once I'm very interested.

[Bullshop Junior]

I'm not really understanding how this is better/ faster then just a good boolit lube. A lubrisizer machine is pretty fast. I have shot thousands of cast boolits with a good lube at higher velocity with good accuracy and no fouling. I never ever cleaned my Remington 788 223 and all I shot from it was cast, with speed green lube and I shot some pretty hot loads.

[xacex]

I'm not really understanding how this is better/ faster then just a good boolit lube. A lubrisizer machine is pretty fast. I have shot thousands of cast boolits with a good lube at higher velocity with good accuracy and no fouling. I never ever cleaned my Remington 788 223 and all I shot from it was cast, with speed green lube and I shot some pretty hot loads.

Well, lets see if I can change that perspective for you. You cast, heat treat, and lube 1000 boolits for your last session. It took about the same time as PC, or one of these other methods, and you put up your boolits for the year.8 months from now you notice accuracy dropping off with your hot (for cast) rifle load. It could be your lube getting brittle, but most likely it is your boolit hardness. So you shoot your remaining boolits knowing that you have lost accuracy, and can do nothing about it. But, if you went ahead and PC'd those boolits, heat treated afterwards, and put them up you notice the same thing that your accuracy dropped off after 8 month. But here is the difference, you can re-heat treat the P/C boolits and bring them back to where they shot great. Not only that, but you can color coat for different loads, don't have deal with the smoke with traditional lubes, don't have to clean up your seating die from lube and lead, reduce your lead contact when loading and shooting, and well besides being cheaper than a lube sizer it is easy.

I know it is not for everyone, but it does have some advantages.

[DanWalker]

I cast and water drop, and tumble lube with 45/45/10. I don't get ANY buildup in my seating die because I don't GOB it on like Tammy Fae Baker putting on mascara. I get the same velocities(2200 fps) as people who are doing this PC process. I can lube 1000 boolits in about 10 minutes this way. I'm sure PC is fun and yet another facet of our hobbby. I just don't see it offering any advantages over how I'm lubing boolits now.

[Echd]

Your videos are great. As an avid powder coat convert I'd be glad to see any alternative methods you can come up with.

[Echd]

I cast and water drop, and tumble lube with 45/45/10. I don't get ANY buildup in my seating die because I don't GOB it on like Tammy Fae Baker putting on mascara. I get the same velocities(2200 fps) as people who are doing this PC process. I can lube 1000 boolits in about 10 minutes this way. I'm sure PC is fun and yet another facet of our hobbby. I just don't see it offering any advantages over how I'm lubing boolits now.

I always had great luck with tumble lubing and never had any leading problems. PC isn't a lot of extra work (for me) and gets rid of the messiness. I just lay a cookie sheet out on the ground, spray it, bake it, and done. I can size and load them as soon as they cool off, and I don't get that gunk on my fingers or have to smell it.

That said I still TL some plinker bullets I make in mass quantities, but I love my PC stuff.

[popper]

Plus I haven't noticed the first shot flyer with a cold barrel. With colder weather coming on I'll test more to verify, in rifle. So far with the heat here I haven't noticed it, even with a clean or really uncleaned bore - but then the bore doesn't get very dirty.