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    Here is comparison of our 585HE and Trex case, and while
    we have barrels of cases and more coming and many available
    in stock in AUS, many are finding Trex cases scarce...

    Here is picture of a neat falling block that could work for our
    585HE with little work, the Wickcliff.
     

    Here is picture of the singlestack mag box we built for Enfields
    fitted to the bottom of BBK action.Very little changing and
    it fits a lot of different actions, as a fixed magazine, with its
    own feed lips,and we load from the top.Ed


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    Quote Originally Posted by hubel458 View Post
    Here is picture of a neat falling block that could work for our
    585HE with little work, the Wickcliff.
     

    Here is picture of the singlestack mag box we built for Enfields
    fitted to the bottom of BBK action.Very little changing and
    it fits a lot of different actions, as a fixed magazine, with its
    own feed lips,and we load from the top.Ed


    First post in this thead but I have been watching with great interest, and now THIS! Since the beginning I have been thinking about a beefed up HighWall action in this chambering and while that's not an 1885 it's still basically a HighWall. I have built from scratch 2 HighWalls, one standard and a scaled down "mini" version plus a third one I am working on now, and although I was thinking a different action next time this just might be a very interesting next project. Machined from 4140 and scaled up enough to allow a larger (?) barrel thread and thicker sidewalls the already very strong HighWall could be made to accept that large head and high pressures with ease, at least I would think so.


    Time to do some serious thinking!

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    Yes a falling block for our case just has to be as big as
    ruger or the two biggest FBWs. Not having a rim like 577NE
    or 600NE it only needs feed trough to clear . 654" rim and belt
    and barrel thread of 1 1/16" to 1 1/8".. Ed

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    Here is picture of a 585HE we did in a Mauser 98 as a
    singleshot test gun. We used a composite stock we
    adapted to fit action. Weighted to 12 lbs.
    Enfield in back, you can see it is longer.

    And speaking of singleshots a fellow in the Yukon is
    just finishing up one in a Ruger #1.
    Here is one reason to like 585 calibers is bullet varieties,
    this picture is only about half the bullets and slugs
    we know of, and most can easily found. Ed


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    There is couple 585 videos on Swann Gunsmithing's Facebook site;


    Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1, that was done in Australia, set up


    for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That gun killed


    the first buffalo that I posted picture of above. You can go


    direct to the page and click on the videos to watch the test firings..


    https://www.facebook.com/swanbarrels/videos




    Here is picture our 585HE in a Montana PH action in a MPI stock, with the


    style of a CZ stock, that a guy is setting up. The stock will be finished brown


    and metal finished with a Gun Kote finish...Ed



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    One of the first of modern 585 caliber wildcats, since WW2, the 575 Miller Greiss Magnum,
    was first in records in the fifties, It was made from BMG brass shortened to 2.70" long
    and necked up from 50 cal to .585" with what looks li\ke a little sharper shoulder..


    They rebated the rim quite a ways to .618" to maybe fit 98 Mauser bolt.Used a special action.
    Listed as a shooting 750gr bullet about 2400 fps. It holds about 150gr of ball powder under
    a 750 gr bullet, maybe little less than 3" 50cal spotter case, where our 585HE holds
    180gr under a 750gr'.


    We made one for experimenting on a full length BMG case.With rim left same as the base
    and would need a BMG sized bolt and action. I'm glad to be a big bore wildcatter,
    and happy to be in the company of big bore nuts, old and new. Years ago when
    guys did big wildcats they took what was available, to rework, and maybe
    they could have used the 3" spotter case if they could have found couple barrels full.


    But it takes a lot of work to reform cases that much, with the multiple dies,
    multiple annealings, and case trimming and extreme reworking of regular rifle actions,
    which is why I like our 585 case, simple and straight, any regular long bolt action,
    falling block, break action, etc, a 585 good for dozen or more heavy loadings,
    moderate loads, last forever..


    In making our 585HE we made it a size, actually new belted size, to fit regular size bolt guns,
    (not BMG actions)that didn't have to be used from a tripod, and could be put in a favorite,
    of many, the Ruger #1, other falling blocks, without taking metal out of the feed trough.
    And to get the same and much more powder space as a cut back,
    real short, fat, BMG case wildcatted to 585, we made longer case and worked with guys
    with a group buy to get a factory run made. We thank gun nuts for the help.


    Here is picture from the great site, cartridgecollector dot net, of the M&G Mag .Ed



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    Probably first 375 caliber cartridge made from 585HE necked down, the 375 Warlord.


    Guy did a real nice job, with what looks similiar to a Weatherby style shoulder.


    Kinda outdoes Weatherby & Cheytac. We have cases with no headstamps for wildcatters.


    First notice of the case sent to me today off of a guys facebook.









    Another fellow is planning on shortening the 585HE to maybe 2.4", for use Marlins and Henrys,


    and other leverguns, redoing their 45-70s. With the belt they will have good headspace control.


    Without a rim that takes up circular space in a lever action, say like our 24ga FH, a 585 bore, but which is perfect


    with a rim for break actions like our 24ga FH in a Magtech...Ed



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    Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
    He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458.
    There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.





    Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock.
    He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.





    We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
    long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or more, if you are
    using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
    One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is Stiller Cheytac actions
    made similiar, justa newer version. Both actions come in 1.45" diameter
    and a 1.60" diameter recievers.


    And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has
    these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
    another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
    stack, center feed, magazine..He has our 585 HE reamer on hand, we have
    barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed



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    Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
    in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock.
    Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
    like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
    The scope rail is a piccatiny,. if you need long range work.








    The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
    block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action, drill new screw hole
    Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.


    About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
    sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
    is a huge job needing special jigs, etc, Not really, just use one for a jig
    with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
    extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
    When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
    the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
    The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
    Just keep on building...Ed



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    Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
    On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
    and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
    weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
    Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
    like a compact UTG sight...





    If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
    like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
    He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.





    Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
    a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comp
    stock, handles recoil great... Ed







    More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
    Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
    One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
    Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
    to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
    that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
    Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
    Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed

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    Hubel, that's one awesome round. I just wish it were 20 years ago and I could "enjoy" it more! Ya' done good, bro'! REAL good! Thanks for the report and info, even if it does come a little late for me. I must confess, I'm still interested, but discretion is getting the better of me. I can still enjoy a vicarious thrill, though.

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    Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action that
    our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
    for long range shooting.





    Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
    585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
    He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.









    In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
    By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
    Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed



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    Ok, I like the idea of owning something in this cartridge. What are my options? Where do I go to buy? Looks like I saw a shotgun, if so does it have a sleeve or was that a double rifle?

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    WE put 585 HE in some shotgun break actions by mono blocking in

    585 barrels, but it takes special extractors.

    Easiest is to get a package of barrel, 50 cases, die set, from our

    guys for bargain price and have our guys setup an Enfield bolt gun for you.

    Cheapest labor is with Enfield bolt gun, Mono blocking is a lot more,

    You can furnish an action. Got to be long action..

    PM me for more details.. Ed

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    A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming a recoilapheliac''..
    That is neat term , and very glad that folks are catching the big bore fever.


    Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the rear sporterized
    bridges of Enfields, and it works on other rear bridges also. I like peep
    sights the best for most shooting. You can get them with flat bottoms
    also for bridges that are flat on top.





    Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the MPI stock..





    On straight sided cases like our 585 HE the die set has a mouth expander
    die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the mouth, but I always
    felt that doing what is really a relative relatively sharp flare, and then roll
    crimping the same area of the case.shortens case life.


    So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand, using just the bottom of
    of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble it around a small
    amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good for dozens of loads,
    with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few seconds and less
    work that has to be done in the press ... Ed



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    Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC, CAN.
    Known as, Rocky Mtn Rifles, video on Youtube of them testing our
    585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy. They are
    shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzQjRGfT1A


    Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for a guy,
    the second they built. First one killed the buff pictured earlier .
    AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
    Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for 585HE..







    Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked into it,
    chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, to do testing in a light rifle
    with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols. Others going to
    put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got plenty of cases Ed



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    The style of most break actions singles aren't the greatest, that we
    we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we mono-blocked
    in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One that is close
    that we have, is the Magtech.


    Well the guys have found one that is super strong lockup and looks
    real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga light shot barrel,
    soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little brother of the 585HE.


    We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled, heavy slug barrel,
    for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them fast enough.







    Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and Darrel in Minn
    set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is in a Hogue, recoil
    reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did.. Ed





    Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted the short Weaver
    rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the actions have;
    Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes.. Ed



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    We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our back yard,
    Kind of a neat suppressor,







    Here is folder shotgun guys set up as 24ga FH.







    Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
    break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.







    Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..







    Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc,
    with a variety of bullets..Ed



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    Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH





    Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in old days.





    Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
    It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle mounted it on the bolt
    further back so the port could be lengthened for our long case.
    I has to polished and blued yet, and scope rail *****.





    Here is another picture of PH 585HE with great looking stock.

    Nice looking wood. Ed


    Last edited by hubel458; 05-11-2016 at 05:56 PM.

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    Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.







    Here is another view of the great camo job on the
    585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed



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