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    Leverguns, cast bullets and buffalo

    Last month I returned from a trip to a remote part of the Northern Territory and hunted on Hunt Australia’s concession in Arnhem Land. The camp was great - it really was a well thought out remote bush camp. The rifle I took with me was a Browning Model 71 that I had converted to 45/90. The bullets I chose to use were RCBS 500 gr FNGC, cast from an alloy with a hardness of approx 15 BHN. The rifle in this configuration was only completed a few months earlier and I was keen to use it on something substantial and in Oz they don’t get any bigger than buffalo in NT.

    We had followed this particular old bull for a few hundred meters and luckily there was an immature bull quartering towards him that diverted his attention away from us. The old bull was ambling along - he was alert but oblivious to our presence. However he was still moving along quite briskly and changed direction often as he occasionally stopped to feed. His constant movement made shot placement tricky. More importantly, he was heading for dense cover. I would have liked to have closed the gap further, but from where we were was open bush, the air was still and the ground was like corn flakes. I decided it was now or never and, with the bull still moving, from a distance of 70mtrs I sent a 45 cal 500 gr FNGC towards the front end of the old bull.

    The hit was audible but the bull didn’t seem to feel it and I was wondering whether I had hit it at all. The bull immediately swivelled around looking for where the noise had come from. Once it turned around I could see blood on the offside shoulder from the exit wound. The first shot had gone through both lungs and was a complete pass through.

    We were in a burn with essentially no cover, apart from what little cover was offered by the relatively narrow trees, in this sparsely wooded area. Although hit, clearly he still had a lot of fight left in him and wanted to deal with whatever caused all his pain and suffering. I kept cranking out 45/90 shells as quick as I could operate that lever. When the rifle was empty the bull faltered, then started to wobble and finally started to collapse. With my rifle now empty I dropped a loaded shell on to the carrier and closed the action. I ran towards the bull, quickly thumbing additional cartridges through the loading gate as I ran and approached the animal from behind. I administered another 2 shots at close range, mindful that most accidents occurred when supposedly dead buffalo spring back to life. However he never recovered and expired fairly quickly. The 2 additional shots weren’t necessary but were cheap insurance.

    These animals have heavy bone structures, dense muscle and their hide thickness has to be seen to be appreciated. They can absorb a lot of lead, particularly if the first shot is not well placed and still can, even when it is well placed.

    The cast bullets performed reasonably well. You can see a photo of a recovered cast bullet and it shows that it held together and expanded well. Of note, this particular bullet didn’t encounter any heavy bone – it travelled about 30 inches through hide, muscle and paunch. A picture below shows just how thick the hide can be on a mature bull.

    If I were to do this again I would use the same alloy for the first shot but for subsequent shots I would use a harder alloy. Once the shooting starts I think non-expanding bullets are called for to maximise penetration as you need to do the best you can with whatever shot is presented.

    For me it was nice to take a battle scarred old bull like that using an old style gun with open sights in an old black powder cartridge and bullets I cast myself. No doubt anyone trying to do it this way is handicapping themselves and they have to accept that and work within those limitations, but that’s hunting to me. I enjoyed this hunt and all that went into it and it was a good way to baptize the 45/90.

    I hope you enjoyed the story and pics.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails NT Aug 2013.jpg   Buffalo skin.jpg   45-90 & RCBS 500 FNGC.jpg  

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    Very nice.....keep shooting until they don't have any fight left in them, that is exactly what I try to do, although I haven't had the chance to hunt anything near as dangerous yet.
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    Greetings JFE from the other side of the Big Blue.
    Congradulations ! Thank you for writting about this fine hunt. Not much better than to have a lever gun loaded with your ammo. That is one fine looking Buff you have. Very enjoyable story !
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    JFE, congrats on the hunt!!! and thank you for all the details. That shows some impressive performance from your cast loads from your rifle. I am glad the hunt went so well for you. I bet that buff could have been mighty tough to deal with if your first shot wouldn't have caused the damage that it did. Again, congrats on a great hunt and thanks for the write-up and pics. JW

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    Nice write up and pics. That's a beautifully expanded bullet too! How do water buffalo taste?

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    Thanks for the comments.

    Taste wise its kind of like beef. I did let some back straps set in the fridge for about 10 days, then cut them thinly, applied a dry rub and bbq'ed them lightly. It was pretty reasonable then but still a bit chewy.

    The local aboriginals won't touch old buffalo and really prefer scrub bulls (wild cattle) over buffalo.

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    Very good!
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    Congratulations JFE! Fine rifle, fine ammo, fine buffalo, and mighty fine write-up.

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    JFE, How fast were you pushing those 500 grainers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piedmont View Post
    JFE, How fast were you pushing those 500 grainers?
    That bullet takes up a lot of space as you can see in one of the photos. I haven't put the loads across a chrono, but according to Quickload they're doing around 1750 fps. I was conservative and set max pressure at 40K psi even though these rifles can be pushed to higher levels. Another 5 or 10k psi only adds 50-100 fps and not worthwhile chasing in my view.

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    Thanks for sharing your hunt with us!

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    Congrats JFE, what do your buffalo weigh when dressed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Congrats JFE, what do your buffalo weigh when dressed?
    I'm no expert but guys who have hunted both reckon that they are about 20% heavier than Cape Buffalo.

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    JFE, we have the same problem with BIG bull elk and moose. The racks are sure cool looking, but the meat is about as tough as your boot-heel. JW

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    Great hunt and a story well told! Nicely done, thanks for sharing it with us.
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    NICELY done sir!
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    With meat that is potentially tough, it is time for a crock pot. Nice hunt. Made all the more satisfying by working up rifle and load. Thank you for sharing with us.
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    Cook it low and slow or beat the **** out of it with a meat mallet, or both That rifle, load, and bullet alloy combo looks like the perfect Elk medicine.

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    Great shooting, and great story. Too bad you didn't recover a boolit that had smashed a shoulder, that would have been interesting to see how it held up.

    You could always get a meat cuber for the next one you have a chance to take.

    Thanks for sharing.
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    Great write up and fine animal! Sure love a good lever gun story, thanks for sharing.

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