Here are some results of the .575 round ball on top of 32grs of blue dot in a trap commander wad, cheddie hull 2 3/4", the ball sits on top of 2 28ga .125 fiber wads, and one in the base wad, fired at 50yds, from a 20ga 870, rifle barrel, the two shots on the left target that are low were winchester rifled slugs, the high shot to the left was a lightfield sabot, thanks to Ajay its coming together. The buck is by my son's tree stand hope he shows up for him in November. HC