Any one reccomend anything for cleaning lead out of micro pistol barrels other than chore-boy and (bore) hoppes#9? Whats your method?
Any one reccomend anything for cleaning lead out of micro pistol barrels other than chore-boy and (bore) hoppes#9? Whats your method?
Chore boy plus Hoppes 9 or Kroil. Or bronze wool plus Hoppes 9 or Kroil. Or steel wool plus Hoppes 9 or Kroil. Some use a Scotch pad but you have to be careful because there are types of scrubbing pads that are extremely abrasive.
Outer's Foul Out is what I use. Don't think you can get it any cleaner.
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Homemade Electronic Bore Cleaner
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/copperout/index.asp
http://www.frfrogspad.com/imprvdcr.pdf
Use it with neoprene stoppers, a stainless weld rod electrode and O-rings to center the rod
Solutions for this and other good stuff can be found at ...
http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm
I don't see anyone jumping in with another version. I think the reason is that the cleaning chemicals are getting so much more sophisticated, and they are less bother to use. The Wipe Out brand has been very successful, and they have a separate special lead remover now.
BoreTech Elimenator is another.
Another KG-12, sold by Jim Owens (jarheadtop.com) is probably the most dramatically effective copper remover.
All these are water-base and non-rusting.
Gunzilla is good, One patch loose on an eyelet jag and an overnight soak. Two more patches the next day and the borescope showed every trace was gone. Gunzilla is vegetable oil based and is designed to break down bonds in carbon and other non-metallic fouling. It was designed for armorers who clean lots of guns and whose skin is damaged by the chemicals. This stuff is easy on the hands. It seems to turn hard-caked carbon into soft sludge that wipes away, even when moly is in it. It leaves a lubricating film behind when it dries.
Foul Out takes 2 to 4 hours, plus checking the rod for build-up to clear it of short circuiting metal deposits, rust in the bore can cause issues so check your solution to make sure it isn't trying to etch your barrel.
I don't advocate using "The Dip" as it creates dangerous Lead Acetate but a mixture of H2O2 and C2H4O2 will dissolve lead. Mercury aka "Quick Silver" will also but again is Hazardous.
Last edited by Artful; 09-26-2013 at 09:42 PM.
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I use outer's foul out also. About out of the solution and will have to order the ingredients to cook up my own soon. I use choreboy and hoppes after each trip to the range for regular cleaning as necessary and reserve the foul out to obvious build up that CB & H doesn't remove. Must be doing something right with my loads because my leading problems have greatly lessened and with some caliber's have disappeared.
I definitely like my Outers Foul Out kit.
If chore-boy won't get it then you have real bad leading. I have never had chore-boy fail me. I run it dry, I think it works better that way.
I wet patch, dry the bore, chore-boy, then redo the wet patch. Repeat if needed.
The chore-boy needs to be a snug fit.
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
The factories and old time gunsmiths used mercury. Plug the barrel, fill with mercury. Brush out what remains. Haven't tried it but it should work. Don't tell the EPA. Toxic.
I too have an Outers. While I'm not out of solutions for it,, yet,,, I went to the link above & didn't find a solution to use with the Outers.
Can you tell me which ones I need to use for both lead & copper from that site?
EDIT; I FOUND IT! It wasn't listed in the titles and I scanned the whole page & found it.
Last edited by contender1; 02-12-2014 at 11:10 AM.
One word for copper fouling SWEET'S
I use 0000 steel wool. I suspect it works as good as Chore-boy if your technique is correct. I use Ed's Red with the Steel wool...mostly as a Lube. I use a brass Jag with a cotton patch to put the few strands of 0000 steel wool on, it's so tight, if I didn't use lube, I wouldn't get it through the bore.
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You can use 1:1 hydrogen peroxide and vinegar to turn the lead into lead acetate. Let the barrel sit for 10 minutes and the lead will release and fall out in solution. One or two patches and that should be the end of it.
Lead acetate is rather toxic and can absorb through skin.
I just wish I could get Chore-Boy in my area. Can't find it anywhere. Hear that the druggies use it in smoking their dope, so stores have pulled it from the shelves.
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Use 0000 steel wool if no chore boy around your area.
Mercury works but holy cow, way too toxic to have around. Heck no.
Peroxide and vinegar works but it don't want strong oxidizes around my guns if they can be avoided. I don't need rust.
I don't see a need for any chemical methods. Steel wool and chore boy just plain work. Every time.
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
Chore boy and Ed's Red homemade gun solvent. Equal parts of Automatic transmission fluid, Kerosene and Varsol or Odorless mineral spirits. Cleans lead out very well when used with Chore boy on an old bronze brush.
I can't get Chore Boy brand around here either but you can get them online at various places. I have found other brands that are 100% copper too. Libman makes an all copper pad and our local Supermarket Meijer's carries their own brand. You have to make sure it's not copper coated.
Jim
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