Where did all these sissy metrasexual (so-called) men come from?

[jsheyn]

Isn’t it mighty humorous and ironic how some of ya’ll keep bashing paper pushers and keyboard punchers. Without them you sure as heck would not have this nice forum to complain on….using your keyboard of course.

[blackthorn]

My Dad was a farmer. My Dad was a Gentleman. My Dad was a “golden ruler” and a better Christian than most of those who shout out how good a Christian they are! My Dad never took a dollar that was not his, nor did he lie cheat or steal! He worked hard every day to put food and such together for Mother and I. When he died there was not enough room in the church to hold all the people who came to pay their respects!

My Mother was a farmer’s wife. My Mother was a seamstress by trade (before she came to Canada from England. My Mother was a practicing Christian and went to church as many Sundays as she could. About three or four times a year she even got Dad to go. She made sure to take me (at least until I got into my teen years). My Mother NEVER turned away a hungry Hobo from our door. My Mother commanded the same respect within the community as my Dad.

I am adopted (at 8 months) and the folks above gave me love, guidance and a respect for others (until they prove unworthy) no matter what sex, religion, occupation etc. They taught me that NO ONE is better (or worse) than another unless they choose to be. They taught me to walk on the roadside of the street when with a lady, to hold the door for the next person, to try to assist those who need assistance and to “generally” be a man. There is so much more I could say about my folks but I think you all probably get the idea. I am 74 years old and I still tear up when I think about them!

On the subject at hand, I try to judge people by their actions as individuals, and not by their sex or life choice. I have known Bosses (both male and female) that were great people and some that were----not so much! I believe in all people being equal BUT I do not believe there are any (group or individual) is, or should be, more equal than any other. I have a very good female friend, whom I suspect has latent Liberal tendencies, who paid me a great compliment when she described me as the only “red neck socialist” she knew. As to the useless slug J. D. referred to, I compliment you sir on your handling of that situation!

[runfiverun]

Isn’t it mighty humorous and ironic how some of ya’ll keep bashing paper pushers and keyboard punchers. Without them you sure as heck would not have this nice forum to complain on….using your keyboard of course.

kinda.
I could NOT have a computer, and it would have ZERO impact on my lifestyle.
popping up on forums like this is my computers single function.
I still do math with a pencil too.

[jsheyn]

kinda.
I could NOT have a computer, and it would have ZERO impact on my lifestyle.
popping up on forums like this is my computers single function.
I still do math with a pencil too.

I do math in my head...but that's not the point...the people who cut your check use a calculator....what I'm saying is you need the paper pusher and keyboard punchers and they need you.

[nodda duma]

The degradation of society started long before those shows came out.

The degradation of our society and morals allowed those shows to make it to the airwaves.

I ask again. When did the slippery slope start?

We are not at the top of the slope right now. We are half way down screaming "HELP" as we try to slow down the advance down the slope.

All of today's problems were caused by hippies and the British.

[montana_charlie]

Isn’t it mighty humorous and ironic how some of ya’ll keep bashing paper pushers and keyboard punchers. Without them you sure as heck would not have this nice forum to complain on….using your keyboard of course.

Would a paper pusher/keyboard puncher like yourself be content to let your wife carry the propane out to the car while you 'rested'?
It is that quality found in 'unmanly' men which generated this discussion.

As to the apparent 'acceptance' of the sexually perverted lifestyle, it's still true that the deviants make up only a very small percentage of the population. The number of 'supporters' has (either) increased or they have become more vocal, but they have no personal desire to 'partake' in the lifestyle.

So, it boils down to something which has existed for centuries:

Men have always despised 'sissies' and women, in situations where the difference matters, can barely tolerate their presence.
This is true because human nature is still what it has always been, and anything 'unnatural' has no value to the species.

CM

[jsheyn]

Would a paper pusher/keyboard puncher like yourself be content to let your wife carry the propane out to the car while you 'rested'?
It is that quality found in 'unmanly' men which generated this discussion.

As to the apparent 'acceptance' of the sexually perverted lifestyle, it's still true that the deviants make up only a very small percentage of the population. The number of 'supporters' has (either) increased or they have become more vocal, but they have no personal desire to 'partake' in the lifestyle.

So, it boils down to something which has existed for centuries:

Men have always despised 'sissies' and women, in situations where the difference matters, can barely tolerate their presence.
This is true because human nature is still what it has always been, and anything 'unnatural' has no value to the species.

CM

1No, Charlie, I would not let my wife carry that propane cylinder...and yet I am a paper pusher...that was the point. there is no correlation between a sissy/woosy....etc and a paper pusher or a keyboard puncher.

[opos]

I got no issues with how a person makes a living as long as they are doing what they can to contribute. I have a Grandaughter that is an R. N. and her husband is a computer game tester...yep...spends all day playing computer games for a company that does work for Sony, etc. Turns out he makes more money than any of the Grandkids and one hell of a lot more than I did in my years. When Sony releases a computer game it's like a movie production company releasing a big movie...millions of dollars on the line and it has to be perfect...if they find a flaw in the testing phase it's a disaster and lots of folks really get on the hot seat. But.....here is the computer wizard, many would call a "metrosexual" (My thoughts when I first met him and "heard" what he did). He is polite, a great husband to my Grandaughter..a strong and loving father to my little 3 year old Great Grandson but when enough is enough....he's the strong and caring voice that steps up and corrects the situation. He's as much a man as any man in our family and has the respect of all of us.

Now on the other side of the coin...in the apartment building where my Daughter lives there is a young woman that is a paraplegic...she has a youngster that is about 2 years old. She has one of the older manual wheel chairs and I watched her wheeling herself and the child all over the compound...lots of difficulty. Several of us approached her and asked if she would be offended if we saw what we could do about getting a nice used motorized chair for her....she was very tearful but said she would really like having one. We did some shopping around and some wheeling and dealing and came up with a nice used chair with new batteries, etc. She really got around well with it and it looked so much easier with the youngster....then one day I noticed she was in the old manual chair...I asked if there was a problem with the motorized chair and she started to cry.....her unemployed husband (long term unemployed) had sold it and bought a new TV set and one of those things where players can play games like tennis, etc. That moron is a typical metrosexual...not a man and deserves a place in hell. The woman was really upset but begged us not to say anything to him as she feared his anger...What the hell do you do in a case like that? I know what I wanted to do but we tried and frankly that's their life...would I tolerate seeing him abuse her? Not for one minute but he was not involved in the motorized wheel chair and it's not our place to take him on for being a jerk.

There are people on this board that are executive white collar types, hard core bikers, all sorts of blue collar workers, all sorts of accountants, sales people, etc...we all got a place here....I was raised by ranchers and cattle traders..my Grandad was killed in the Denver Stockyards at age 72 breaking a horse to use in the yards. My Dad was a cattleman and farmer and was a gentle and caring man that respected other people and had much respect..even mine. I raised my kids (3 of them in their 50's) the way I was raised and my Wife was raised in a similar manner and the kids knew they couldn't "run to Mom" if Dad was involved in punishment for bad behavior. Each of the kids and their kids were raised to respect elders...to have a work ethic (no, not just hard but smart as well as to how they did their work)....my Kids went through the 60's without being draft dodging liberal punks..They did their share...whatever that amounted to at the time and still do.
The lace panty liberal punks that suck on the teats of humanity and demand their rights make me puke. Remember an old man isn't tough enough to defend himself any more...he won't be able to hurt you but if you get him riled up enough something bad might happen. I live in a city that is loaded with sissy punks...regardless of their sexual preference, etc and also has a good share of hard working and respectful "citizens"...I try not to judge a book by it's cover but ear rings and pierced body parts are hard to overlook..but that's my problem...unless the guy (or gal) has a job and is working to be a contributor...I despise "takers" and have respect for contributors.

[dtknowles]

1No, Charlie, I would not let my wife carry that propane cylinder...and yet I am a paper pusher...that was the point. there is no correlation between a sissy/woosy....etc and a paper pusher or a keyboard puncher.

I would certainly let my girl friend carry a propane cylinder but I would expect to carry it myself. If she wants to carry it, I better not try to stop her. Does that make me a sissy/woosy. I did have to stop my deceased wife from trying such things as they were against doctor's orders but sometimes that resulted in heated discussion. I am attracted to strong and often stubborn women. I open or hold doors for all manner of folks and when we are on a Date, I open the car door for her. If I did it for a simple trip to the store I would get rolled eyes at the least.

I get the creeps around sissy boys of any age, always have.

Tim

[scottiemom]

Well I might as well add to the hornets nest. When women were given the right to vote, it all started going downhill (voting with emotion instead of intelligence). And I'm not joking. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going back to the cave.

Not all women vote with their emotion, just like not all men vote with intelligence. Just sayin...

[runfiverun]

I do math in my head...but that's not the point...the people who cut your check use a calculator....what I'm saying is you need the paper pusher and keyboard punchers and they need you.

I guess i'll find out when I go back to work.
seeing as how my income is zero right now it don't take much poking or pushing to click out nothing.

[leeggen]

I think a few on here will remember the saying"free love and flower power". It came from a time when the United States was in great termoil. A war was being foght that to some made sense and to others it made no sense. Well guess what those that it made no sense to won out. At that time I was in the Navy for 4 yrs. 1970 to 1974. I am proud of it and those that served are also proud of their service time. It taught alot to us as to respect, I have your back, Honor to GOD and COUNTRY. If you were gay no one new it, you still done your job and I done mine- called team work. I remember in the 60's and 70's Doctors were preaching if your pattle your kids they will be mentally harmed for life. Well the Docs were right alot of kids werent punished for their indicressions.( I remember they used that word to) Nothing kids did was a punishable offence, they were to be negoteated with. If you all remember the 60's and 70's was when everything changed. Politics- Schools- churches- Boys Clubs -Girls Clubs-Parents- Military- all the rules changed and you were no longer allowed to hit someone even when you were hit first. You both get 3 days out of school( which is what kids want anyway) Our whole social order was changed in the Veinam war ara.
My Parents kicked my butt when I done wrong and patted me on the back when I excelled over and above. To that I have thanked they BOTH! My 3 boys were raised in a split home not my choice But they know hard work and manors and politeness.
Rant over Thank you,
CD in TN

[7Acres]

Guess were all "retrosexuals" per Dr. Laura's definition a "retrosexual" fix's his own stuff. Everything from small and large appliances,lawn mowers, his own vehicles,might even build his own home. He can kill it ,clean it and cook it,probably has more than one gun.
He does not eat tofu,sip latte's,get a waxing to unmentionable parts of his body,drive a Prius, Obama/Biden bumper sticker,call repairman for everything that breaks.
This past weekend I was up in the Wind River area up around Lander and hiked up a small lake thats loaded with Golden Trout. Not to unusual to have company. There was a young family that had packed in with their 5 and 7 y.o. girl and boy. After a few hours we struck up a conversation and he was tree trimmer for local power co. and was from Aiken SC.I have to tell you his 2 kids were the most competent 5 and 7 y.o.'s I have ever seen.5. y.o. can cast her pink Zebco better than most adults, she caught fish, took them off the hook, baited her own hook. Never messed up the reel or hung it up in the bushes.7 y.o. ties his own knots and is 100 % on his own fishing.He cooked his own fish that night in his own "mess kit", 7 y.o. poaching his fish in a nice dill liquid(dad provided) he has his own knife and dad keeps in his pocket when he need it he has to ask. I learned how catch bats from a 7 y.o. "so we can look at them and let them go". We stayed 2 nights and these kids were a blast in the mountains but the bigger point is these kids will be very confident,competent adults.
I started my kids very young as well I walked their tails off in the mountains the hills and valleys, they carried their little day packs with juice and a snack and when they were old enough they carried their Cricket .22's and shot grouse.
You can do anything with kids little sponges they learn everything you want them to and not if you don't pay attention, get the iphone out of their hands and fishing pole or a rifle instead.Herein lies where it begins wether or not their going to be a cissy or a man or woman.

I'm going to print this out and hang it in my shop. 100% Wisdom.

[opos]

Wanted to add something to the thread. For some years now a group of men that have fished offshore waters around San Diego have taken 2 groups of folks fishing...first group is returning Warriors from Camp Pendleton and there aren't any sissy boys there...but this is about the other group...these are inner city kids from about 8 to about 12..boys and girls....have lived in the San Diego area for a long time and most have not ever been on the water or fishing. Mostly Hispanic and from some of the tougher schools in the South Bay area near the border. When they get on the boat there is the normal cockiness...boys showing off for girls, etc....but pretty soon the "hispanic" upbringing begins to show. After they have huffed and puffed they are really good about doing what they are told...most are polite...most eager to learn and by the end of the day both boys and girls are having a great time and no hassles to anyone. We have also take some kids from the very wealthy area on occasion and I'd rather have a root canal....gimme this..gimmme that...bait my hook...get my fish...etc...they seldom if ever said thank you and just bitched about everything. My layman's opinion is that even with all their faults and even with all the lack of material things...lots of the Hispanic kids had been raised by families that demanded respect and obedience for the most part while the "born with the silver spoon kids" had never had anyone say no and had picked up after them all their lives and had no idea how to be respectful.

I'm not hot on a Country full of illegals and the gang bangers...of any color or background are a real blight on cities...but many of the little Hispanic kids have gotten a good upbringing at home where love and discipline go hand in hand...We don't take the "upper class" kids any more...it's too much difficulty...their parents drop them and we are just baby sitters...we could be bowling, skiing, fishing or climbing trees..it would be the same.

Just 2 cents worth on a little social studies experiment

[tinsnips]

This a great thread there is some very good wisdom here tonight. My wife would carry the propane tank any day of the week an not saying a word she works very hard as most people where I live do . We both work long hours 6 days a week so that being said we both do anything that needs doing. Our four kids are all successful I think dew to the fact they were all taught to work hard for what they have ,be honest ,an be happy with what they have. Most people growing up in western North Dakota are this way! By the way I always hold the door for ladies my father taught me that 57 years ago . I know having a good family life has made a large difference raising good kids, we have been married for 35 years to each other. It also helps she like guns.

[waksupi]

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.”

Robert Heinlein

[Adam10mm]

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.”

Robert Heinlein

I don't mess with water so no ships, can't focus on math so no designing or building walls but balancing accounts is simple enough, hate poems, programming is for nerds. Other than that, I have it covered pretty well.

[Blacksmith]

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.”

Robert Heinlein

I grok in fullness.

[coblake]

Ha, Waksupi, that has been my signature since I signed up here. Still working on conning a ship...and dying gallantly...

[dakotashooter2]

There are things a "single sex marriage" or single parent family cannot or do not teach a kid. ALL kids benefit from both male and female influence in a family. When that isn't there they miss out on something. Those influences or lack of, may not always be obvious but they ARE there........

FYI ...I was bullied in school and handled it in two ways...... I never gave the bully any satisfaction...or made friends with someone tougher than the bully.......... either way I got results...........