simple Hi-Tek coating

[Ausglock]

Seat/ crimp in one die should never have been invented. it causes more problems than it cures.

Always size coated pills. even if you coat once, size and then second coat. I do this for flat base bullets.

The out of round will astound you!

Lonewolf barrels are designed for jacketed ammo. There are a lot of these barrels used here in OZ and most of them have needed the throat and lead-in reaming as it was cutting the coating off the pills. I had one in 357Sig that needed doing. this fixed the leading issue.
I had another on 9mm for a G34 that after 50 rounds would not chamber a round. after inspection, there was shaved lead built-up at the front of the chamber preventing the round from fully seating in the chamber. reamed it and now no worries.

I have never had these problems with Barsto, stormlake barrels, Jarvis.

[Michael J. Spangler]

I'll second the barrel throat for leading issues.
Do you have a picture of the barrel throat?
The Hornady dies are a combo taper into a roll crimp. (I hate these dies, I bought a set for 40 before I knew what I was buying)
It's a fine line between a tape and the start of a roll. It's easy to roll the crimp a little or even just to put too much taper on it. I had this issue with my 40 dies and it was annoying.

I had an issue with a S&W 1911 barrel not having any throat. The rifling just started with an abrupt sharp edge. No matter what I did it shaved the bullet under sized and made it lead.
You might have the same thing going on like AUS said.

[BMac]

Great info, I'm going to take a look at the barrel when I get home.
Thanks everyone

[jimbo1950]

I made the mistake of not sizing when i first started casting as reading the Lee mold instructions it states it it is not necessary in most cases!
I resize after first coat,and you can tell which ones are out easily due to the increased pressure thru the Lee push thru sizer.
Even my best molds which cost 3x the cost of a Lee,throw bullets that must be resized, and some push thru easier that others.
You will love sizing the smooth side bullets without a lube groove! They slide in and out nice and smoothly,and they also coat smooth and evenly.
As far as ovens go, i use a $50 Black and decker convection from wm and it works great but you must have a thermometer inside to control temperature.I have baked at least 50k bullets and no issues!
I coated about 3k today using the 3 lb of bullets and 1ml per lb of 5/1/10 first coat , and 5/1/7 second and third coat and they are the best i have ever made. I was using 5 lb and 7 ml of 5/1/7 and it probably too heavy a coat,and too much load in the oven at one bake.

This is such a great forum as the help you get from fellow casters is amazing! I have been following all of you helping BMAC,and i again learned a few more things that helped me also!
THANKS to all of you!!

[BMac]

Jimbo, thank you and I'll second you on the great forum.
Face it, we are all left brain people, we need to stick together

[Moonman]

Some of the issues to help HOME casters are;

Smaller Batches, I like to use the 3 pound for Oven Load.

Whatever size Boolits you use, just 3 pounds of them total per load.

I try not to OVERTAX the oven with a bigger sized load of projectiles.


Don't coat TOO HEAVILY for the first coat, just "STAIN" a little for color.

I like the 5/1/10 mix for an initial coat, the extra ACETONE will flash off.

I use 2.5 ml for first coat on a 3 pound batch.


Second coat I use a 5/1/7 mix with (2 EXTREME CATALYST) use regular Cat if you don't have.

I use 3.75 ml for second coat on the 3 pound batch.

I do not use a third coating.


I size sometimes between the coatings, sometimes after both coats.

DO NOT SIZE YOUR BOOLITS "BEFORE" COATING.

I did some 148 grain DEWC today at 9.5 minutes and they came out fine.

45 230 grain I presently do 12 Minutes.

Hope the info helps someone.

[Wrbjr]

Being a noob at this, not having gotten my first order of Hi Tek yet... I must ask why not size before coating? Just trying to understand the process.

[HI-TEK]

Being a noob at this, not having gotten my first order of Hi Tek yet... I must ask why not size before coating? Just trying to understand the process.

If you size, you may need some sort of lubricant.
This will interfere with coating adhesion.
As coating bonds strongly to Lead alloys, and self lubricates, and conforms to sizing, it is much more efficient with assisting with sizing process.
With bonded coating, (done to your requirements), you end up with exactly the right diameter required for a specific barrel.

[Moonman]

Wrbjr,

Ausglock, the one tester in Australia claims that IF YOU SIZE BEFORE COATING,

it tends to SEAL UP THE PORES in the leads surface and causes adhesion issues with the coating.

[Ausglock]

Yep. That is correct. Do not size before coating......

[Wrbjr]

Wrbjr,

Ausglock, the one tester in Australia claims that IF YOU SIZE BEFORE COATING,

it tends to SEAL UP THE PORES in the leads surface and causes adhesion issues with the coating.

hmmm.... makes me want to go get out me microscope and take a look see... sounds plausible. I learn something every day. Lead is a complicated metal at times.

[Wrbjr]

Lucky for me I have not sized any of the next batch yet. Waiting on the Green cool-aid.

[BMac]

Here is the Wolf barrel, do you thing the rifling is too aggressive in the throat?

[Moonman]

Wrbjr,

If you're waiting on the ZOMBIE GREEN, it may be a bit yet.

[Wrbjr]

Wrbjr,

If you're waiting on the ZOMBIE GREEN, it may be a bit yet.

Hmmm... I wasn't even aware of that color. Donnie just said he had green. I guess the regular green is what he is shipping but he really didn't specify. I hope he doesn't wait on some exotic shade for zombies... I need to play chemist.

[Moonman]

Donnie uses DARK GREEN for his Boolits for sale.
I have the Dark Green from him, the product.
ZOMBIE GREEN will be coming to the USA in a DRY POWDER form,
The Color and Catalyst will already be mixed in the powder.
SAFER AND should be less costly to ship.
You will still add your own ACETONE and tumble lube the projectiles.

[BMac]

Hardline Industries mold question.
I'm ordering the 9mm 147 fp, should I order the .356 or .357 I slug out at .356. I'm thinking .357 sized to .356 to true it up.
Thoughts?

[Moonman]

BMac,

Your better off with larger sizes that YOU can SIZE DOWN to what you need.

Some people get sizes to size down to their 38's or 9 MM.

The 2-Extreme Catalyst makes sizing down A PIECE OF CAKE.

[Love Life]

Get a .358 and size to .357. Did you shoot out of the factory barrel yet?

[BMac]

Thanks for the info.
I haven't shot or of the factory barrel yet. I've for a batch drying overnight, I'll bake tomorrow and shoot Saturday.