Oh, I don't think they are borderline.
I don't either. I've been putting up with bullying and being ridiculed here by a certain few people, particularly for lube experiments, for well over a year and am sick of it. This is not a battle of egos or a peeing contest as it seems to appear to the staff, it is a battle of bullies vs. nerds.
What we actually want is a lube that works as well at low temps as it does at high temps. Nothing else.
Well, a few other things too 
. It's a challenge. It's been fun except for the trolling, and it's also turning out to be quite productive.
If the final recipe has soap or not isn't of concern to ANY of the "3 amigos" or theirs friends. We are after a RESULT, not a recipe.
Correct for me too. I don't care if BHO invents it, if it does what I want I'm going to use it.
So far we have had some excellent results with the high soap lubes. They are working far better than anything with a wax base. Due to summer temps the cold end testing will need to wait for winter. We do have one guy doing some cooler weather testing and it seems promising.
And some high-velocity testing yet to come. Some hecklers have been complaining that 2K fps disqualifies this lube as extreme. Velocity isn't the whole bag. First we have to make it handle extreme temperatures without hardening or MELTING, then work out the other bugs. I already have plenty of lubes that give me excellent accuracy at very high velocity, but they don't handle well in the field. Extreme lube, like Hodgdon's Extreme rifle powder, is being developed to perform consistently in extreme weather. Extreme velocity variations is another consideration, but not the only one.
None of the future results will be posted here in all likelihood.
Won't be posted by me at all unless the name calling, slander, and attempts to discredit, belittle, whine, gripe, and cajol stops permanently. The trolling and baiting has gotten old. We were merely trying to have an open sharing of ideas. [B]And we were. But some members just can't stand a good drama-free, open discussion about successes and failures and things to try next. [B] That appears to ruffle some feather so the best we could do was go underground.
I've "gone underground" because I can't get a word in edgewise here about lube without the naysayers crawling out of the woodwork. We've had and discussed legitimate concerns with lube ingredients, and a variety of other topics just fine, I know that neither you (Brad), Runfiverun or I have any ego problems about any particular lube ingredient. The proof is in the testing, period. The problem with this thread here is nobody has had any rusted guns on account of soap lube, it is only a topic posted by someone to stir the pot. This sort of pot-stirring is exactly what I've been fighting seems like forever here and I'm finally had a gut full of it. You can see how much I've been posting here in the last month, if I said half of what I really wanted to I'd get banned on the spot.
Those who are the issue know who they are. We meant no harm or insult to the board or anyone else.
Absolutely right. I haven't done a single thing to cause this, but have tried to defend myself. I've asked before if anyone has issue with something I say (yes, I can be impatient and "short" sometimes), TO TAKE IT UP WITH ME, because I probably didn't realize it. I've apologized to more than one person on this board, I don't come here to be a jackwagon and hurt people's feelings intentionally. I come here to LEARN. I come here to SHARE. I come here to forward the craft of cast boolit shooting and to resurrect so much of what has been lost through time and historical lapses in interest. I don't come here to start fights, pick on people, or gain a sense of ego by belittling others. It's not my style. If anyone has their doubts about that, I have over 12K posts here for you to go read through. You'll quickly see what kind of person I am, and why I'm here (except for the past few days 
) where I've been stooping to the level of the trolls. We have simply come to a point where the nasty comments and harassment have become intolerable.
That happened for me about two months ago. Ask Ken about that one.
If anyone has a desire to know what we are doing currently then simply ask via PM.
I probably won't be here much, so please don't PM me. I waded through a dozen help requests and thank-you's and progress updates from some of the good folks here trying to learn while I was gone. I'm sorry but until I can help in open forum again without being harrassed nobody's going to be seeing much of me here.
I speak solely for myself. The others involved may or may not agree with me. I do not speak for the others.
Originally Posted by Marlin Junky
