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    Forgive me, Bob but I can't remember any of Keith's designs being hollow points? IIRC, he was a fan of deep penetration. I have been wrong before.
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    I would have to dig to find the articles but he did have HP version of the 429421-- for deer etc-- not that it matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.B. View Post
    Forgive me, Bob but I can't remember any of Keith's designs being hollow points? IIRC, he was a fan of deep penetration. I have been wrong before.
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    Been to long since I read his books but he mentioned hollow point versions of his 38 bullet & how destructive they were on jackrabbits.
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    And let's not forget dear old Elmer's other design for the .44, Lyman/Ideal No.429422 hollow base...

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    Has anyone reported back on the long range accuracy of the prochko version?
    For the average shooter "long range" is about 50 yards I am interested in at least 200 yard results but will gladly listen to any results whatsoever.
    The prochko looks a lot closer to a full wadcutter than a 429421.
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    Don't Know if this helps anybody reading this thread but I have an Ideal 429421 HP mold (NFS), this was given to my uncle who has passed away, by E. K. at an NRA convention. I am not an experienced caster hell I am not even an amateur caster but if any of the dimensions help I would be happy to post them.

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    You have a prize.
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    I really appreciate the photos of (apparent?) Keith bullets. I have several RCBS molds that have KT following the number that are supposed to be true Keith designs, but I think they may have been modified a bit for easier casting.

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    Stopped by for a visit not long ago.





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    Quote Originally Posted by LAH View Post
    Stopped by for a visit not long ago.





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    Yes. The city cemetery.
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    That is on my bucket list along with visiting my friend Kent Lomont's resting place in the same cemetery. Sure is in a beautiful area. Thanks for the photos.

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    When you go in the place Don there is a directory to your right with a complete list of names & their location. I have a video of Kent's grave on the Creeker Facebook page & some pictures on my personal Facebook page.
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    Hey Lynn, thanks for the info. I myself am not on Facebook but my son is and I'll check it out. Guess I didn't know or more likely slipped my mind that you knew Kent. He sure reset my standards on the amounts of ammo and shooting that can be accomplished!

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    Here you go Don.


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    Lynn, thank you very much!

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    Here is a picture of actual Keith bullets from an article he wrote in 1969.
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    Notice the variable width of the front band. Keith varied his bullets to fit each revolver. The wide front band enters the cylinder throat and centers the cartridge.
    This was the primary reason for the great accuracy of Keith designs. It was also the first thing commercial mold makers changed. The boolet has to be a slip fit in the throat.
    If Joe Blow caster just sizes to "recommended" diameter and his guns throat is tight, the rounds will not chamber. " It's the **** molds fault" and back it goes.
    Therefore commercial molds have narrow front bands and even Lyman 429421 for all its popularity is only close to Keith's intentions.
    You have to get a custom bullet to get the full benefit of a Keith design.

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    You are correct, but I think the problem is in the sizing. If the bullet is sized so it is a firm slip fit in the cylinder throat there is no problem.
    The problem comes when shooters do not check this in their revolver. Another problem I have encountered is failure to size the front band.
    This happened when I did not want to get lube in the crimp groove, the front band did not size completely and the rounds would not chamber.

    Lyman cut the width of the front band on 429421 to satisfy complaints from ignorant reloders. Elmer was correct they spoiled it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eutectic45 View Post
    Another problem I have encountered is failure to size the front band.
    This happened when I did not want to get lube in the crimp groove, the front band did not size completely and the rounds would not chamber.
    Excellent post.
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