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Thread: "Real" Keith Bullets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eutectic45 View Post
    Lyman cut the width of the front band on 429421 to satisfy complaints from ignorant reloders. Elmer was correct they spoiled it.
    The 2 Lyman 429421 4c molds I had were tapered with the front band a smaller diameter.

    The MP and Arsenal #503 clones have the front band just in the throats of my Anaconda, my S&W 629 throats are too far forward for that and still crimp in the groove.
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    I have a 1970grs 2cav Lyman #358429, a 1960's made 4cav & a 1950's made #425439HP.
    All are slightly different.
    But they all shoot Extremly well in whatever revolver I put them in. I've never had a cylinder that wouldn't accept any of them. In either .38spl or .357mag.

    Shot the Lyman #429421 for 50+ years. Have only a 2cav now, from 1970's. Has a full diameter front band, all three bands are the same width/depth. It does have a rounded grease groove. Still still shoots great in any gun I put it in.

    Have a RCBS from the 1980's.

    Hard to believe RCBS calls this bullet a Keith Type. Front band is narrow. All 3 bands are different widths.
    It casts good looking bullets, but they are not as accurate as the Lyman.

    The LYMAN #452424 is too long to fit in COLT SAA cylinder. When LYMAN changed this bullet from .454dia to a .452dia they lengthened the nose to maintain the weight.
    Who knows why, the #452424 fits in every other revolver I tried it in. Except COLT SAA & their clones.

    I switched to the Auto Rim Bullet #452423. Shorter nose, still weighs 240grs.

    I just bought a N.O.E. version of this bullet, a 5cav mold. It has square grease grooves. I will put some of these though a Lube-Sizer, as well as PC'ing some.
    The NEW N.O.E. #453-247-SWC casts some perfectly beautiful bullets.
    Looking forward to trying another "Keith mold".
    I guess I'll always shoot Keith Bullets. Regardless of who made the mold or when. Rounded or square grease grooves. Both shoot great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walks View Post
    Rounded or square grease grooves. Both shoot great.
    My findings also.
    Joshua 1:9

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    Not sure if this is “real” but this is from an earlier IDEAL non-vent line 429421. It has a very deep & wide crimp groove
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    From my understanding, true "Keith" designs, or the ones he liked best, had the wide (not always full .100) front driving band, square grease groves, and a 65-70% diameter meplat. I, personally, don't care about the driving band exact diameter, just the meplat diameter and grease groves that hold enough grease.

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