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    forming 25/20 single shot

    hi was wondering if any one has info ,if you can make 25/20 sigle shot brass out of some other brass? also does any body make dies to form it from some thing else any info would help thanks 257

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    It's a necked down, 32-20. One article mentioned that .223 brass could be converted. They didn't say how.

    Buffalo Arms lists brass. $45. for 20
    http://www.buffaloarms.com/25_20_Sin....aspx?CAT=3834

    $43.99 here
    http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...productId/1118

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    [QUOTE=dbosman;2167701]It's a necked down, 32-20. One article mentioned that .223 brass could be converted. They didn't say how. QUOTE]

    It is NOT necked down 32-20. Don't know about forming from .223. Regards, WOody
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    The short answer is NO!

    There is no parent case at all.
    Word from:" The Handloaders Manual Of Cartridge Conversions"
    Can be made fron the bottom of a .223 case with sone 5/16" thin walled tubing.

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    .354 .vs .349

    They are a bit different.
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    dbosman, you are getting your 25-20 cartridges mixed up. While the 25-20 WCF can be formed from 32-20 brass, the 25-20 single shot is a different animal. Smaller in diameter quite a bit longer than the WCF. Look at the fourth post for a picture comparison of the 2.

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    Excellent, as in the best, 25/20ss cases. Ready to go.

    http://www.captechintl.com/products.php?cat=7

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCall View Post
    dbosman, you are getting your 25-20 cartridges mixed up.
    Thank you!
    I just learned something new.
    I'm posting the two cartridge drawings for others just learning that difference.

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    Bill Ballard used to form .25-20 Single Shot brass by "violent" reformation of .223 brass. (His quote.) He turned a bit off the base, swaged the rest of the shell to the general shape and trimmed them to length. The rims were thin and the service life of most of the box of 50 I bought from him averaged maybe seven reloadings, although the last lone one finally bit the dust a couple years back.

    Somebody had the procedure of how to convert .223 to .25-20SS posted on that Yahoo site that for a while was the successor to the old Shooter's site. It may have made it to the ASSRA site. Worth a search of their Archives or a question to the group.

    In any case, you need a hydraulic press and special dies, and the result is probably no better than the worst of what you could get from Bertram back in the old days. The Jamison stuff is so superior to not only Bertram but a lot of the original .25-20SS brass that I've used that it simply isn't practical to do anything but order from Jamison.

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    The 25-20 Single Shot was the parent brass for the R-2 Lovell; so in theory if you can find a quantity of R-2 brass, you could reform it. I think Jamison was supposed to make some before they went out of business, but whether they ever did or not, I do not know.

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    Just order new cases from BACO, making them from .223 would be a last resort as you have to turn down the cases at the base.

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    I have 30 pieces 25 - 20 brass are you interested?

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    I believe the 25-20 was also the parent case for the 218 bee but thats getting as scarce as hens teeth also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country gent View Post
    I believe the 25-20 was also the parent case for the 218 bee but thats getting as scarce as hens teeth also.
    The 25-20 Winchester Yes, the 25-20 Single Shot No. You have to keep in mind that even though the 25-20's share the same name, they are worlds apart in dimensions.
    Yes, you can easley form the Bee from the 25-20 Winchester.

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    Captech Int'l(the new Jamison owners) shows it with pricing: http://www.captechintl.com/proddetail.php?prod=2520SS I assume it is in stock since others show out of stock and don't let you order. They have the basic brass as well for all those Lovell shooters.

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