Won one on Fleabay....

[P.K.]

With molds going for what they are on Flea-bay I really didn't expect to win this one but I did for about what a set of Lyman blocks are new. Can anyone tell me about this paticular one? It's a #311413 and seems to be is great shape.

[dbosman]

From the archives

jcw1970
09-11-2009, 11:37 AM
This mold is pretty much a copy of the H&G #20. This was on the H&G site. #20 - .30 Caliber. Squibb-Miller 170 grain design. Gas check, one grease groove then grease/crimp groove with no forward bore diameter flat section before start of nose taper. Sharp point. "See August 1948 issue of American Rifleman, page 59- "One-hole groups" "January 30, 1951--Stafford Lewis--Size .308--1" at 100 yards." "June 27, 1955 J.C. Kotas Good 200 and 300 yards" "April 24, 1950. "Elrick- Iron sights, 1" at 75 yards" "March 29 1949” Harl Lee Jr. "Excellent results"

Not sure if you could find these articles but I'm pretty sure they would have load data in them. I have the 413 and am in the process of trying to get a #20 to compare.

And

Char-Gar
09-11-2009, 04:49 PM
"IIRC I read somewhere that this boolit is designed for squib loads to feed out of either a Krag or Springfield magazine. Col. Harrison noted that it failed at higher velocity. I have had pretty good luck with it but only up to about 1500-1600 fps. "


The bullet wasn't designed for squib loads, but was designed by a fellow whose last name was Squibb. He was from Lima Ohio and designed the bullet sometime before WWII. It was quite popular in it's day with every mold maker offering it's version of the "Squibb bullet". 311413 is Lyman's version.

I have molds for this bullet by Cramer, Hensley and Gibbs, Lyman, and Belding and Mull. I don't believe Modern Bond made one. Someday when I get my round tuit, I will do a series of head to head tests between these bullets. I strongly expect their to be no real difference, but it will be a fun project and who know.

Most folks have found joy with this bullet at or under 1.5 K fps. Frowns develop as the speed goes up. There was a fellow on this board a few years back that went by the moniker of Aladin who produced a custom Lee mold for a 200 grain version of this mold and claimed all sorts of good stuff at long range and respectable speeds. I never tried it, so I can't say for certain whether it did or not.

Back in the early 60's I shot a bunch of 311413s in several 03 and 03A3 rifles and got good results in the 1.5 K fps range. Much over than and they went everywhere. Maybe I just don't have the mojo!

[shredder]

Mmmmm. Spitzer flavor! I have a mould quite a bit like that but a few grains heavier. Mine is the Lyman 311332. Pointy like that and gas check. They sure feed well in my Mauser.

Very nice mould you have there. I bet it casts really good boolits.

[P.K.]

From the archives

jcw1970
09-11-2009, 11:37 AM
This mold is pretty much a copy of the H&G #20. This was on the H&G site. #20 - .30 Caliber. Squibb-Miller 170 grain design. Gas check, one grease groove then grease/crimp groove with no forward bore diameter flat section before start of nose taper. Sharp point. "See August 1948 issue of American Rifleman, page 59- "One-hole groups" "January 30, 1951--Stafford Lewis--Size .308--1" at 100 yards." "June 27, 1955 J.C. Kotas Good 200 and 300 yards" "April 24, 1950. "Elrick- Iron sights, 1" at 75 yards" "March 29 1949” Harl Lee Jr. "Excellent results"

Not sure if you could find these articles but I'm pretty sure they would have load data in them. I have the 413 and am in the process of trying to get a #20 to compare.

And

Char-Gar
09-11-2009, 04:49 PM
"IIRC I read somewhere that this boolit is designed for squib loads to feed out of either a Krag or Springfield magazine. Col. Harrison noted that it failed at higher velocity. I have had pretty good luck with it but only up to about 1500-1600 fps. "


The bullet wasn't designed for squib loads, but was designed by a fellow whose last name was Squibb. He was from Lima Ohio and designed the bullet sometime before WWII. It was quite popular in it's day with every mold maker offering it's version of the "Squibb bullet". 311413 is Lyman's version.

I have molds for this bullet by Cramer, Hensley and Gibbs, Lyman, and Belding and Mull. I don't believe Modern Bond made one. Someday when I get my round tuit, I will do a series of head to head tests between these bullets. I strongly expect their to be no real difference, but it will be a fun project and who know.

Most folks have found joy with this bullet at or under 1.5 K fps. Frowns develop as the speed goes up. There was a fellow on this board a few years back that went by the moniker of Aladin who produced a custom Lee mold for a 200 grain version of this mold and claimed all sorts of good stuff at long range and respectable speeds. I never tried it, so I can't say for certain whether it did or not.

Back in the early 60's I shot a bunch of 311413s in several 03 and 03A3 rifles and got good results in the 1.5 K fps range. Much over than and they went everywhere. Maybe I just don't have the mojo!

TY Sir!

Mmmmm. Spitzer flavor! I have a mould quite a bit like that but a few grains heavier. Mine is the Lyman 311332. Pointy like that and gas check. They sure feed well in my Mauser.

Very nice mould you have there. I bet it casts really good boolits.

Dunno, it's not even in the mail yet. We'll see when it gets here. It looks just like the #280473 I have for the .270/6.8SPC.

[GaryN]

P.K. Have you shot the 280473 much? What kind of gun did you shoot it in? How fast? I have that mold and a close relative by Mihec that I am going to start playing with. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[P.K.]

P.K. Have you shot the 280473 much? What kind of gun did you shoot it in? How fast? I have that mold and a close relative by Mihec that I am going to start playing with. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I haven't yet, trying to find a sizing die for the thing took almost a year. Now that I have all the pieces of the pie togeather it will be fun getting to the paper. I am going to be using it in my 6.8 at or around 16-1800 fps. These will primarily be a range day shooter as I have a Lee 277-125R that should be a good performer on white tail and hope to try it on hogs in the future. Since there isn't a whole lot out there in the way of info on cast in the 6.8 I'm going to borrow one of our other members data to start cooking some loads up. It will be interesting to fiddle with these two because both started life for the .270 so they should handle velocities fairly well it's the lower end I'll be working up and who know's where that will go? With my luck, a trip to the LGS and some ones trade in.

[P.K.]

Well it came today and it looked better than the pictures, never used as far as I can tell. Aside from som minor surface rust it was GTG. Took forever for it to season but casts a pretty fair boolit. These were from COWW since I've been casting pitol boolits for a bit.