Doctors and guns

[Lon246]

I was asked the "are there firearms in the home" question by a nurse filling forms in my Doctor's office and refused to answer. Since then I've printed out the following and carry a copy on all medical appointments. To the best of my research it is true and valid:

The problem is that Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.only relates to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare):

(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS- A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to–`(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.`(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION- None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to–`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;`(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or`(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.`(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS- None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.`(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE- A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon–`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or`(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.`(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS- No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to–`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.’.

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[xs11jack]

Good for you, Lon246, if enough of us carry and use the above information, maybe the medical marvels will get the picture. We don't want them in our homes, snooping about.
Jack
and thanks for the effort of getting the info for use.
JS

[Harter66]

Only issue I've is that 3 of the 5 available are competing for " resources". They keep pestering the GF about "resources".

[runfiverun]

they just check the yes box when you do that.

[Phoenix]

I used to carry a similar card that had the privacy act of 1974 on it. It didnt prevent me from having to give the state my SSN. It didnt prevent anyone from asking for my ssn and it didnt sway one single person/company. Your only real option is to lie, i dont think of it negatively if it will effect you negatively for saying so.

Good for you, Lon246, if enough of us carry and use the above information, maybe the medical marvels will get the picture. We don't want them in our homes, snooping about.
Jack
and thanks for the effort of getting the info for use.
JS

[Phoenix]

It is not illegal to lie to a doctor. There are some grey areas regarding lying about being a smoker or drug user, But those are more related to your health insurance than any law. Lying on the application to get insurance is another story. Altho something that would not effect your insurance rate can only result in termination or the policy.

Good for you, Lon246, if enough of us carry and use the above information, maybe the medical marvels will get the picture. We don't want them in our homes, snooping about.
Jack
and thanks for the effort of getting the info for use.
JS

[popper]

BOCare will ask that question when you apply. It's already on the prelim form. Lie and you could lose BOCare. Of course if you keep them in the BARN, it's not a lie.

[dakotashooter2]

Nope..................................

They are all in the garage................................

[shooter93]

Just answer...no....and as far as the SS number goes for Doctors, Dentists etc......everyone gets a different one from me. I have dozens of them floating around out there and trust me....they DO all share that number . SS administration has the correct one.

[firefly1957]

Last year i left it blank my doctor asked and i told him it was to remain blank i have no idea what he did to complete it.

[RoyEllis]

I can tell ya what does NOT work out well....be in a truly smart-@ss mood when asked this question and reply "Heck no, a gun doesn't do ya any good in the house, I always carry mine with me". Causes instant fidgeting, great consternation and a quick call to security.

[twotrees]

The Dr.'s offices were asking this a few years ago, and I always told them to "Go pound salt". Even my GP got the hint and had the girls stop asking and had his forms re-written without the question in it.

I see so many Dr.'s now that I don't think I can count them on both hands, and have never once been asked that question. If they do they will get the same answer...........

[ubetcha]

It is not illegal to lie to a doctor. There are some grey areas regarding lying about being a smoker or drug user, But those are more related to your health insurance than any law. Lying on the application to get insurance is another story. Altho something that would not effect your insurance rate can only result in termination or the policy.

It's not illegal to lie to a doctor,but the Government lies to us all the time.And they get away with it

[ubetcha]

If they check the box when you left it empty,could they be held liable for falseifying official records?They filled it in without your permission.

[Hamish]

My understanding is that it irregardless of what is on the form, it is illegal for them to ask, as it constitutes forming a database, which is expressly verboten.

[gkainz]

I wrote in "decline to answer" and verbally told them "none of your business and way out of bounds."

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Fire Arms........NOPE

[nvbirdman]

When I used to drink, my doctor asked me about my alcohol intake and I grossly understated the amount. In other words I lied to my doctor. Would I ever lie to my doctor again? If I am asked about firearms in the house I certainly will.

[selmerfan]

I've asked my sister about this - family practice doc in rural South Dakota. She asks the question, but only when the patient is brought in for mental healthcare reasons or is currently suffering from depression or bi-polar diagnosis. Not a general question - she's well aware that 98% of her patients have them in their home, if not in their pickup outside.

[mongo]

The medical assistant caught me off guard a couple months ago, She takes my blood pressure, starts to ask about meds, then asked, Do you carry a firearm? without thinking I said, You can see my pistol? So much for this new Crossbreed holster, lol