Javelina lube no longer avaialble?

[FAsmus]

Gentlemen;

I recently went to Midway and tried to buy some Javelina for my outfit.

The sales fellow told me (in some surprize) that it had been discontinued by the manufacture.

What is happening?

More to the point; what can I replace it with?

I looked around The Fouling Shot data sheets and found that LBT Blue (Soft) was the most popular lube posted there. ~ Any comments?

Good afternon,
Forrest

[Hardcast416taylor]

Go on White Label Lubes web site. They have a 50/50 lube that should do about as well as Javalina. Besides, the lube is $1.90 a stick in a tube or $1.65 in a bag.Robert

[Shuz]

Go on White Label Lubes web site. They have a 50/50 lube that should do about as well as Javalina. Besides, the lube is $1.90 a stick in a tube or $1.65 in a bag.Robert

I've used the White Label Lubes for a few years now and have been very happy with all that I have tried that Lars makes. And, as Hardcast416taylor points out, for $1.65 in a bag, the price can't be beat!

[Marlin Junky]

Forrest,

http://lsstuff.com/store/index.php?m...183f57acde2854

It's not Alox though, it's X-Lox (not to be confused with X-Lax ) or X-Lox 350... perhaps that won't make a difference.

MJ

P.S. BTW, LBT Soft Blue is very good (and soapy so it can stand up to summertime heat in the northern prairie) but you'll pay a lot more for it than you're used to paying for Javelina.

[FAsmus]

Gentlemen;

Thanks for the source information - I'll go there and buy some.

However, the second half of my question remains unaddressed - that is; Do any of you guys use LBT Blue (soft) in your shooting? If so how does it work through the sizer, good consistent performance on the range for accuracy, running clean and over a suitable coverage of temperatures?

I ask because this stuff seems to be popular in the CBA's match data for all comers.

Good morning,
Forrest

[Hamish]

FAsmus, I have only put 4 or maybe 5 K downrange with the LBT Blue, but it has alway's done the job in several Contender pistol chamberings.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Gentlemen;

Thanks for the source information - I'll go there and buy some.

However, the second half of my question remains unaddressed - that is; Do any of you guys use LBT Blue (soft) in your shooting? If so how does it work through the sizer, good consistent performance on the range for accuracy, running clean and over a suitable coverage of temperatures?

I ask because this stuff seems to be popular in the CBA's match data for all comers.

Good morning,
Forrest

If you are considering changing from your desired 50/50, and are gonna buy from Glenn at White label, than consider BAC. It's very similar to 50/50 but with some carnuba wax in it. It's very popular with many of the cast boolit pistol shooters here (myself included) and is probably the most forgiving lube to push through a lubesizer...needs very little pressure.
Jon

[Hip's Ax]

Forrest,

http://lsstuff.com/store/index.php?m...183f57acde2854

It's not Alox though, it's X-Lox (not to be confused with X-Lax ) or X-Lox 350... perhaps that won't make a difference.

MJ

P.S. BTW, LBT Soft Blue is very good (and soapy so it can stand up to summertime heat in the northern prairie) but you'll pay a lot more for it than you're used to paying for Javelina.

Lars uses Alox 350, but Lubrizol contacted him a few years ago and told him to stop using their name. He calls it Xlox now.

[fredj338]

WL BAC or WL CR if you use a heater.

[357maximum]

I consider LBT soft Blue to be the accuracy standard for stuff that you can buy over the counter or online as it happens to be. Before I made my own lubes it was what I shot the most of, Pricey but good and that was before I found Lars Lube. Verals soft blue is a soapy lube, but not to the extent that some super soapy homebrews try to be. Soap in a lube is a good thing, but like most good things taken too far...they become a bad thing.....Veral struck a balance that some lube alchemists do not.

Lars B.A.C is a real close second and his prices are alot more inline with what I feel lube should cost......in fact when I look at how much money it costs me to make lube....he is not financing a high fallutin lifestyle on his lube sales and making lube in sticks must keep him damn busy. Hollow lube stick making is NOT fun by any means...that is why I am a melt and pour feller. I even have a machine that will take solid sticks now.....I still melt and pour into the sizer. Just do not overfill a Star sizer....bad bad...all bad.

[Lloyd Smale]

Like was said lars 5050 is close. I think javalina was something like 40 percent alox and 60 percent beeswax

[jlchucker]

I used to use Javalina for everything. Last year I was down to my last stick, and after reading some of the comments here I tried the 50-50 lube from LS Stuff, and now it's my go-to lube. In fact, I think it may even be better for my purposes than Javalina was. More recently I bought a Ranchdog mold just before he went out of business. Those are tumble-lube designs, and that design can be a pain in the butt to lube conventionally with a Lyman or RCBS lubricator. I bought some of the LS Stuff version of Lee's tumble lube product, and find that it works very well. I'll be doing business with the Larsens at LS Stuff from now on, and recommend their products to all of my casting friends.

[FAsmus]

Gentlemen;

Since I posted last time I have gotten some LsStuff BAC and 50/50. I resurrected another SAECO sizer, carefully cleaned it out and decided to try the BAC first. I ran 60 bullets through it and, yesterday, did the initial test shooting.

My proven test-bed was my 10,000 round M70 and as a contrasting rifle I loaded some for the Type 38 JAP carbine with the 7.62 barrel too.

I loaded 30'06 with 20 rounds 21.0 gr 4759 and to test the faster load, 20 more with 32.5 gr 4895. ~ All under the HT RCBS 30-180-SP. The 4759 gave me 1.160 average for four, five shot groups. Best group 5x0.710. The 4895 provided an average of 1.130 for its series of groups. Best group 5x0.860.

This shooting is just a little better than Javelina has done over the course of time in this rifle with me shooting it. So far, I am pleased.

The short JAP carbine was loaded with 28.3 grains 4895 under the same RCBS bullet as the M70 was loaded with. Average performance for the series of groups was 1.875. This is about all I can expect out of the rifle which is "as issued' except for the barrel rebore.

Summer is coming and as the season goes on I'll bring this thread back to life and report how BAC and later on 50/50 are working out in the various rifles that will see service over time.

Good morning,
Forrest

[Vly]

I am interested in your results. I have used a limited amount of both Lars 50/50 and BAC ( about 1 stick each, am running 5 lubrisizers ) and have been pleased so far.

[TangoDownPro]

Glad I read this thread. I was considering making my own lube, but as a newbie caster, I really like what I've read so far on the LS Stuff. The Carnauba Red looks very promising for my rifle lube down the road. Since I'll be pan-lubing it looks like it will go a long way.

[FAsmus]

Gentlemen;

Since the last addition to this thread I have been working on the transition of lube in my M1917 Enfield with the two-groove Johnson Automatics barrel.

This rifle is my current choice for competition in the CBA Season Modified Military Postal Match this year. I'm two months along n the Match but nothing in the rules says I have to shoot the same load all season. ~ Thus, I'm changing over to BAC right now.

I had tested the BAC under my standard load of 21.5 gr 4759 and found the results inconclusive as compared to Javelina. Not only that (my vision is subject to false images) it seemed that I could see some faint fouling about 3 inches ahead of the chamber.

Since the M70 - previously tested - had given such outstanding results with 32.5 grains 4895 I tried it next. This seemed to be the combination the M1917 liked. Perhaps BAC is more suited to the fast side. ~ The load ran hard and clean. It will be my load of choice for the July match.

Good evening,
Forrest

[FAsmus]

Gentlemen;

Today it was 97 degrees on the hill-top firing line - I went shooting anyway.

The rifle was my M1908 Brazilian Mauser as rebarreled with the A&B 7mm tube chambered to 7x57. My load is a HT RCBS 7mm-168-SP over 28.3 grains IMR 4895.

The idea was to prove the transition to BAC lube at long range - the short range test had been completed quite satisfactory.

I got an early start to beat the heat but lost some time painting targets so that I would easily be able to see the little pin-prick 7mm hits on fresh paint. As it happened another shooter showed up and volunteered to do the long walk out to the 830 yard target while I did the closer-in distances. ~ We got done about the same time and met up at the firing line.. The man indicated he only had 20 rounds loaded and wanted to shoot them all at the 830 yard target. His rifle of choice is a Sharps 45/70 which shots very well indeed, with several Quigley matches won in his hands. ~ All I had was my hack-saw sporterized small-bore military rifle with its straight bolt handle and 1911 Lyman receiver sight.

The main difference in our shooting was the amount of noise made when hits arrived at the target; his 540 grainers were louder than my little 170 grain 7mm pills - but as they say; a hit is a hit. He got 17 of 20 ~ I got 17 too because he couldn't spot my first shot and I had to fire another sighter to get on the steel.

Then he left and I worked through the closer targets, verifying the elevation numbers I'd established with the old Javelina lube - the numbers matched exactly.

Midway through the run the wind switched and increased ~ this was good because it was hot enough that sweat was beginning to run into my eyes and the wind evaporated it instead. The bolt gun delivered outstanding accuracy all the way from our short range offhand target at 350 yards on out to the 670 yard "Big Round". The old-fashioned antique Lyman with its backwards threads repeated dead-nuts for elevations and windage (at 1/2 minute clicks) chased conditions.

The high point of the day was my last 10 rounds at the 670 yard distance. I figured the elevation would be good since everything else had fallen in very well. I set it in, then I estimated the wind, placed the rile into the cross-sticks, took up the slack on the two-stage pull and fired.

As it happened, the wind was coming from about 4 o'clock. I saw no dust as from a miss, but heard nothing like a ring of steel either. I looked through the spotting scope and saw - much to my surpized delight - my bullet splash dead center in the white. The remaining nine rounds all were hits too, although I heard nothing. The paint job I'd done on that target served me well - it seems that the wind damped out the actual sound of bullet strikes by the time they traveled all the way back to the firing line.

In this shooting - my range thermometer showed 96 - 97 degrees - the rifle heated up some. I wanted to see how the lube would perform when hot so I pushed it somewhat. Accuracy remained unchanged. I could see only very light wash by looking at the muzzle when my shooting was complete. At home the wet patch showed only the tiniest little lead sparkles on the cloth - which have no affect on accuracy anyway.

I like this BAC stuff - economical too.

Good shooting,
Forrest