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Thread: Making 45acp shotshells (My Way)

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    I just ordered some Brass From Matt {Grumpa} He has a good product. All the brass i have ever gotten from him was top notch so I know these will be too.
    I have on hand WW231 and Unique bag of AA410 wads and 25 pounds of chilled #9. And will hev his brass in hand.
    So questions I have are since his are ready to load and fool proof:
    1] 1st would be PUT powder in a case so.
    What was the best Powder and powder load?
    2} Can the 410 wads just go in over the powder? Or not fit in the formed case as neck would be to small?
    3} Can I use 35 cal copper Hornady checks? I see others say use .375" ones. As i have 3500 of them in the old metal tins. Or buy .375 ones.
    {ie} Toss powder in, press down wad with dowel, toss in shot, place 35 cal check and crimp {round} Brass?
    I have 2 35 year old CCI ones to compare to

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    Just looked at the CCI factory ones and looks like the 35cal checks would fit inside them well. They are on the outside .360" on the old tins can ones and .362" on the new boxed crimp on ones. So unless someone says ya should really use the 375 cal ones i am using the 35 cal ones.
    Was going to set the crimp die by screwing the 45aco one down with ram all the way up and screwing the die down on the CCI Case to get same crimp.

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    (1) WW231
    (2) You will need to clip the wings (petals) I put them in a standard 45 ACP case and trim flush with the case mouth.
    (3) I've had good results with the tin can 35 cal.
    (4) From your next post, I use the 45 round nose seater plug to close the check in place.

    Could never get them to cycle in a compact no matter how good a grip,but work flawless in full size Gov. and the boys Springfield.
    Quote Originally Posted by 340six View Post
    I just ordered some Brass From Matt {Grumpa} He has a good product. All the brass i have ever gotten from him was top notch so I know these will be too.
    I have on hand WW231 and Unique bag of AA410 wads and 25 pounds of chilled #9. And will hev his brass in hand.
    So questions I have are since his are ready to load and fool proof:
    1] 1st would be PUT powder in a case so.
    What was the best Powder and powder load?
    2} Can the 410 wads just go in over the powder? Or not fit in the formed case as neck would be to small?
    3} Can I use 35 cal copper Hornady checks? I see others say use .375" ones. As i have 3500 of them in the old metal tins. Or buy .375 ones.
    {ie} Toss powder in, press down wad with dowel, toss in shot, place 35 cal check and crimp {round} Brass?
    I have 2 35 year old CCI ones to compare to
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    I wonder... I've got a 400 corbon form die, think that would work, size a 308 then trim to length?

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    When I make them I trim (On Lathe) to 1.200 and then form the brass, that's for customers. When I make my own I still machine them to length but I add the primer then powder then my overpowder wad, then I form.
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    400 corbon didn't work. Sized it too small for wad

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    I am trying to find a trim die and all of the sources I checked are out of the product. Anyone know where one is available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hicard View Post
    I am trying to find a trim die and all of the sources I checked are out of the product. Anyone know where one is available?
    If you're handy, a trim die can be made from a 308 die and a die grinder with a cutoff wheel. Trim the die to 1.210" less the height of the shell holder. If you make a crooked cut, just square it up with a bench grinder by carefully rotating on the side of the wheel. Done carefully and constantly cooling with water, you'll have a die just as good as a factory die. I have made a few trim dies for friends and they've had zero problems. This, of course, is just my 2˘.....
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    Trim the easy way

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_V View Post
    If you're handy, a trim die can be made from a 308 die and a die grinder with a cutoff wheel. Trim the die to 1.210" less the height of the shell holder. If you make a crooked cut, just square it up with a bench grinder by carefully rotating on the side of the wheel. Done carefully and constantly cooling with water, you'll have a die just as good as a factory die. I have made a few trim dies for friends and they've had zero problems. This, of course, is just my 2˘.....
    I tried several ways to trim the cases and today I found that a 308 case will fit in a copper tube flareing tool in the 1/2 inch hole. Just measure your brass clamp it in use a vice to hold it take a hack saw cut the cut the brass. I cut mine 1.200. Worked great.

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    I used .410 shot cups that were cut off with to fit the case, don’t remember the brand. Used over shot wads madefrom chest X-ray negatives and a drop of nail polish to seal. The shot cups were Remington. The instructions that came with the RCBS die set said to use Remington’s the others don’t work well.
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    I have one of the old RCBS die sets setups (both the trim and the 3-die sets) - Bought that in 1980 or so; It's eaten a LOT of 308 and 30-06 and 8mm Mauser, 257 Roberts, etc. brass over the years, anything I got that had cracked necks became shotshells.

    I know where the dies are and got 100 rounds of fired 308 so I need to deprime / clean / reprime it all and then figure out where my shot and SP410 wads are hiding, or buy more; Then I'll load the first 100. I probably will get to 200 rounds of that, that lasts me a LONG time, handy round.

    I just want them to kill snakes/etc. within 10 feet; The basic idea on them is to be able to shoot a snake that's ON your boots without putting shot into your foot, so overpenetration's not too good an idea there. I've usually been able to put ~5 rounds in the magazine and 1 up the spout and get all 6 rounds to feed automatically in a very short time; News to me that some mags let you use a full mag, Interesting!

    I've never annealed my brass, it works OK without it, I figure it's a second life for the brass, it's going to eventually become donor brass - so I plan to take up brass casting

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    Great right up, I need to give this a try.

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