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Thread: The difference between casting and smelting

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    I just found this thread. I'll admit I didn't realize the difference either, I've been melting down wheel weights and fluxing several times to pour ignots for later use. Then when I'm ready to cast I use the ingots to cast from.

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    As English is not my native language, I had no idea what smelting actually is. Because I've seen it hundreds of times here, I thought it means "melting AND fluxing un-pure lead to usable form". Because of this thread I translated it for the first time to my language and it is: "reduction melting" (pelkistyssulatus).

    I know what reduction melting is, but is that translation correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post
    As English is not my native language, I had no idea what smelting actually is. Because I've seen it hundreds of times here, I thought it means "melting AND fluxing un-pure lead to usable form". Because of this thread I translated it for the first time to my language and it is: "reduction melting" (pelkistyssulatus).

    I know what reduction melting is, but is that translation correct?
    Ola, I think it is a proper translation but smelting as used here is more like you originally thought. All the lead people here use was previously smelted from ore to metal at a real smelter (reduced, oxides turned to base metal). Smelting here is a cleaning, undeforming process with only a small amount of reduction going on.

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    Thanks Tim. But then, why is it called smelting, if it isn't? Because you do not have a better word for it?

    Btw. We call it "cleaning", as "Today I'm going to clean some WW's". (I'm not sure if that makes sense to you, but that is what we say in Finnish. )

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    Smelt; best eaten lightly floured fried in butter with salt and pepper and often during the early spring.
    Smelting: the act of net dipping for said creatures or otherwise bringing them to table.
    just throwing it out there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ola View Post
    Thanks Tim. But then, why is it called smelting, if it isn't? Because you do not have a better word for it?

    Btw. We call it "cleaning", as "Today I'm going to clean some WW's". (I'm not sure if that makes sense to you, but that is what we say in Finnish. )
    I expect that if they called it cleaning people might think you were using soap and water. Purifying, blending and ingoting would better describe what they are really doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grendl View Post
    Smelt; best eaten lightly floured fried in butter with salt and pepper and often during the early spring.
    Smelting: the act of net dipping for said creatures or otherwise bringing them to table.
    just throwing it out there...
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    I went smelting once, they requested that I bite the head off the first one I caught, it was thru the ice on a hook and line.

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    Why is it called smelting?
    You'd need to ask the gent who first published the process.
    However I'm thinking that he's been buried many decades hence.

    I think it's called "common usage".
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    We figured if we called it smelting we could keep the Finns out for a while.
    Just yanking your chain, Ola.
    Smelting is close enough for our purposes and a lot easier to type.
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    Tim: soap and water... ok, .. I have to admit I've never thought about that

    Everyone: I'm fine with the word smelting. I'm just plain curious and trying to expand my vocabulary. And I really like to understand what all the words actually mean. It helps, because some times translating English-Finnish-English some information is lost because the meaning of the words in languages are not excactly the same..

    And like in this case: it also has other meanings. Thank you, smelt eaters!

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    Smelting is the process of reducing lead bearing compounds to elemental lead. Lead does not normally occur in the elemental form. For example ggin galena (lead sulfide) the most common lead ore the ore is smelted to separate the lead from the galena.


    As for common usage how many would support a policy of accepting the most commonly given answer to the question of how 3x2+7 if that was the answer most respondents gave. Well don't ever criticize the younger generation for their ignorance if we are fostering the acceptance of false or erroneous information just because it is wisely believed. Personally I come here to learn not to listen to fallacies perpetuated.

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    I see you've learned common core math. I will politely tell you you're barking up the wrong tree. These threads never go well. Smelting is used to differentiate cleaning up a lead source, such as wheel weights, from casting bullets. Care to take on Boolit versus Bullet next?

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    I melt my dirty wheelweights in batches of 350-400 pounds, but I don't consider myself a gambler. Since Zinc started showing up, I hand sort all of my weights. If I do miss a Zinc weight or two, there won't be enough contamination to hurt a 400# batch. In the past, I did not separate the stick-ons from the clip-ons as there were so few of them. I do now, just because there are more and more stick-ons. I also use the word"Smelt" when melting lead and casting ingots, and expect most casters to know what I'm doing.

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    Good information! Now I know the correct definition for smelting, I think I will continue to say I cast boolits and smelt my junk lead and alloy it 100 pounds at a time and poor it into ingots. Most people know I don't have a lot of lead ore in the garage. It is good to know that I am using the word wrong. But who cares? No offense to anyone.
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    I always thought smelting meant this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelting

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    Geezzzz... Man...is our hobby getting complex or what?

    Smelting,, Easy tasks
    1..take trash you got...smelt it,,,clean it up as much as you can. pour it out to save..

    Casting..

    1. take the 'trash' ingots...remelt, check quality..clean up again with items to get smelt up to quality...
    2. add alloys to bring BRN and pour ability up to snuff
    3. pour into ingot size to fit your casting pot
    4. get ingots into cast pot
    5. cast and drop your boolits.

    Now here, we can water drop...age...size...lube...you know...get fancy...

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