Nation's Gun Show 30 December

[nhrifle]

Yup, but here in NH we are now designated a blue state. One of those camps is a couple hours north of me near Lake Francis. I lived in Colebrook for a couple years and spent alot of time fishing in that lake. It's a real pretty area, lots of mountains and clean air. Local indiginous population are mostly moose. I thought NH was too small to worry about, guess I was wrong. Most likely I am why the camp was built in this state. Obummer read most of my posts on this site and a couple others, not to mention the couple emails I sent to him. Anyone sent to NH, enjoy the view, and I am sorry -- my bad.

[waksupi]

Actually there is one either in construction or now finished in your neighborhood, designed to "house" 2,000,000 people (detainees) in Anchorage. I believe that's the biggest one so far, supposedly a huge mental health facility, probably designed that way to keep the masses drugged and under control.

Here's the latest map of locations of the camps
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...25ee928a8872d0

We are from the government. We are here to help.

I just checked out locations that I am familiar with. What a load of bull. Stay the hell away from Alex Jones, Prison Planet and related wackos. I don't even want to see these liars given any credence here at all. They throw in just enough truth to hook someone, then they lead you down a path, that if you would bother to follow up on, you will see they are empty arguments, just like the mainstream media. Worthless. You ask one of these "whistle blowers" for exact GPS locations on these, and see what answers you get. The ONLY response I got, was pointing to a fenced in area behind Pacific Hide & Steel here. Maybe a half acre, fenced for creosote contamination. Ignorant ********.
I tried it for several years, and apparently the locations are too secret for them to tell. What a bunch of alarmist BS artists. At this time I wish I could use profanity to tell you just exactly how I think about this kind of propaganda. There is enough real stuff to worry about.

[starmac]

Well, at least three of the four in alaska it shows are totally bogus. Ft ww and eilson are active military bases and I know every in of WW there is no fema camp on these. It has been a while since I have been on elmendorf, but I highly doubt that anything of the kind is there either. Wilderness Ak a compound to hold 500,000 people, What a fricken joke. If anything has been or was being built that size everybody in alaska would know it and half of would be involved in building it. I pretty much have to call all of these listed in Ak as completely bogus. WW and eilson are the only bases I know of anywhere that are not even completely fenced, you can walk, boat, 4 wheel or snomachine in without going through the guard gate on either base.

[Mooseman]

I been on em too...no such Camp exists here . There was talk of putting a prison at the far end of the Aleutian chain at one time, but that remains to be seen.

[starmac]

I can just see building a 2 million man fema camp in alaska. What are we going to do, import a few more states to fill it with. lol

[leftiye]

I hear you but we have to be realistic, if it comes down to that then home made weapons would be of little use to us. There is no way we could defend against the military and our only hope would be if the people in the military rebelled and refused to follow orders, which I would surely hope they would do.

Realistic is where you use your homemade zip gun or IED to kill an enemy and take their weapon. Don't give up before you've tried.

[leftiye]

There is no comparison to here and Afghanistan, 1770's America or the Middle East countries and to think we as an unorganized group could use home made weapons to defeat a modern police force plus the national guard and possibly even the military is just beyond absurd! Nonsense talk like this may make you feel good but it's just what the anti-gunners will use against us if and when the media blitz comes if strict gun control legislation comes to a vote, we need to come across as sensible, level headed and law abiding citizens not a boisterous bunch of radicals. Guys think about what you are saying and how it sounds to a non gun owner who will vote, we have a good argument for keeping our firearms if we talk and act sensibly and with reason but macho nonsense will come back to haunt us big time!

Even when disorganized and lacking communications, a million people with a rifle who will act will take down a million plus of any enemy. Take a few with you.

[bootsnthejeep]

I just checked out locations that I am familiar with. What a load of bull. Stay the hell away from Alex Jones, Prison Planet and related wackos. I don't even want to see these liars given any credence here at all. They throw in just enough truth to hook someone, then they lead you down a path, that if you would bother to follow up on, you will see they are empty arguments, just like the mainstream media. Worthless. You ask one of these "whistle blowers" for exact GPS locations on these, and see what answers you get. The ONLY response I got, was pointing to a fenced in area behind Pacific Hide & Steel here. Maybe a half acre, fenced for creosote contamination. Ignorant ********.

Yeah, I pulled up the map to see if we had any "camps" in Maine. Wow, look at that. Two dots. In Houlton, Maine. My hometown. Scoped out their locations on Google Maps. The first one is a potato house at a rail yard 4 miles from my parent's house. Last time I saw it the walls were barely holding the roof up.

I really don't know why there are two dots, because there is only one location called out on the side, and neither dot is geographically even close to what it describes. There is, in fact, a POW camp in Houlton. And it's called out in the sidebar as "German POW camp".

I guess it was quite a large complex back in the day, but it's mostly all gone now. The only buildings and fenced in yard now are preserved for historical purposed in the business park, and the whole facility might cover an acre or two now. The rest of the land got turned into industrial buildings and a trailer park (ironically).

I can't speak for the rest of the map, but those two are a crock.

[oldred]

Realistic is where you use your homemade zip gun or IED to kill an enemy and take their weapon. Don't give up before you've tried.

Even when disorganized and lacking communications, a million people with a rifle who will act will take down a million plus of any enemy. Take a few with you.

Come on guys this is crazy talk and just the kind of ammunition the antis will use to make us look like a bunch of wakos! Think about it, this not Afghanistan or one the Middle Eastern countries but you guys are talking armed conflict or gorilla warfare with the US Government! If the situation here were to reach that point then home made weapons, or indeed weapons in general, would be the least of worries.

[sparky45]

It may be crazy talk today, but we haven't seen the legislation of tomorrow. Registration of weapons IS the first step to confiscation, history will plainly tell you that. Isn't that just ONE of the tenents of Feinstain's proposed legislation?

[oldred]

It may be crazy talk today, but we haven't seen the legislation of tomorrow. Registration of weapons IS the first step to confiscation, history will plainly tell you that. Isn't that just ONE of the tenents of Feinstain's proposed legislation?

You said it -LEGISLATION! It's legislation we have to worry about and talking about gorilla warfare with the US government is just the kind of thing that will sway undecided voters toward the wrong kind of legislation! Chest thumping tough guy talk may be understood here among our group but it not only does no good what-so-ever it will be taken out of context and used to make us look like a bunch of dangerous loonies if it comes down to a vote. Most people in this country are not hard core either way on the gun issue and probably don't think much about it but when considering a vote they are not likely to support anyone who's view includes possible armed conflict with the government!

[nhrifle]

Starmac and others, thanks for checking that out. Among all the truths out there I know there is going to be a bunch of junk rumors started by a bunch of loud mouths. I plan on taking a trip up to the Lake Francis area in early spring to hunt coyotes on a friend's property so I will be able to put eyes on the spot on that map. Much like you said about those you know about, this one is probably so much bull as well.

[Silverboolit]

Gentlemen, What we need to do is VOTE these people out of office! Unfortunately, we cannot do this. I am sure that the majority of voters only push the 'party' button, ie DEM or REP. These people do not vote for a person, but rather for a thing, the party. Most probably don't even know who's involved.

We need to reform the electoral voting as well. I am discouraged that only 3-5 states really elect a president.

[sparky45]

You said it -LEGISLATION! It's legislation we have to worry about and talking about gorilla warfare with the US government is just the kind of thing that will sway undecided voters toward the wrong kind of legislation! Chest thumping tough guy talk may be understood here among our group but it not only does no good what-so-ever it will be taken out of context and used to make us look like a bunch of dangerous loonies if it comes down to a vote. Most people in this country are not hard core either way on the gun issue and probably don't think much about it but when considering a vote they are not likely to support anyone who's view includes possible armed conflict with the government!

And you think registration of weapons won't pass!!

[oldred]

Gentlemen, What we need to do is VOTE these people out of office! Unfortunately, we cannot do this. I am sure that the majority of voters only push the 'party' button, ie DEM or REP. These people do not vote for a person, but rather for a thing, the party. Most probably don't even know who's involved.

We need to reform the electoral voting as well. I am discouraged that only 3-5 states really elect a president.

Absolutely the problem! I'm afraid the sports mentality has America in it's grip and far to many people are not really voting but just scoring a point for their side, simply voting Democrat or Republican regardless of the candidate.

[oldred]

And you think registration of weapons won't pass!!

Did I say that??????? I did not.

What I am saying is that bad legislation is our biggest worry at the moment and talk about armed resistance against the Government is just the kind of thing the antis can use against us to get this kind of legislation passed! Think about it, what possible good does this kind of talk do? It may help vent the frustration some may have but it does not help our cause in any way, it does give the antis the very kind of ammunition they need to try to portray us as a bunch of radicals willing to take up arms against the Government.


Just keep up the armed resistance macho type discussions, Nancy Pelosi and her buddies just love it!

[1Shirt]

If it comes to that, it will be registration without representation, and that is not just a play on words.
1Shirt!

[Love Life]

The difference is back in the 1700's the British army was separated by an ocean, didn't have air support, armor, Thermal, nightvision, Communications monitoring, GPS, Satellite, etc.

Permanent FEMA camps are not necessary. Ask Joe or any engineer worth his salt and they'll tell you that a full sized camp can be hauled on trucks and set up within 24 hours. I have seen it done.

Fear not the government. They are who and what they are. Instead fear the sunshine patriot who will foment a rebellion and then run away when it starts.

"THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated"

-Thomas Paine "The Crisis"

[joesig]

Went out to Dulles today for the big show. Two weeks ago I bought an AR-15 (Colt 6920) at the Fredericksburg show for $1070 out the door. That was the day after the shooting in CT. Today the same rifle was marked $2999, and I saw run of the mill Bushmasters priced at $1800. 30 round magazines that were $15 are now $30. There were a LOT of people walking the floor with ARs for sale - trying to make a big profit. I have been looking for a Springfield Armory XDS 45 ACP, but they are apparently made of unobtanium. Finally found one today and took it home. All in all a good day, but this is not the time to be looking for an AR.
Tony

Thanks for the report. I wanted to get up there on Friday. It was a given prices would jump. I did want to get a "feel" for the customers though. Were they new and desperate or someone who has been shooting a while and "stocking up" on redundant _______? I am praying for, among other things, new shooters that are jumping in and would be inclined to support our rights.

[AnthonyB]

joesig:
I think it was a combination of new shooters and established shooters wishing to make a buck off the newbies. I'm all for capitalism, so that is fine with me. I did not see anyone paying the insane prices for ARs, but I know handguns were selling well. The XD-S I bought was the last of 15 the dealer had brought with him, and was the only one I saw at the show. There were a lot of people looking at Ruger and other lower priced pistols.
Tony