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Thread: I believe the cast lead rifle boolit is the most effective projectile in the world.

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    I use my 500 S & W with 95:5 Pb:Sn subsonic 600 grainers and a suppressor at ranges <100 yards out back of my house. I don't get near that devastation, but with head shots they go down instantly. Back in November I took a muley in the Ft. Peck area of Montana at 883 yards with a Hornady 143 grain ELD-X using my 6.5 Creedmoor. One shot, cold barrel, double lunged him. Ain't no way in the world his head would be mounted on my wall right now and his meat would be in my freezer with a cast bullet from any rifle. Later in the season I took 2 more whitetails with my Thompson Center flintlock at ~60 yards out behind the house in PA. That's a more reasonable range for cast lead. If lead was as good as jacketed, it would be still be in use by all the militaries in the world. Its a great hobby, just keep in mind the limitations and work within those bounds so your harvest is done ethically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkunz View Post
    Back in November I took a muley in the Ft. Peck area of Montana at 883 yards with a Hornady 143 grain ELD-X using my 6.5 Creedmoor.

    Its a great hobby, just keep in mind the limitations and work within those bounds so your harvest is done ethically.
    These two sentences don't belong in the same post.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!


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    45/70 might get that done

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    why would you shoot an animal almost 900 yds away.
    was he watching you with binoculars?

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    Half a mile? Wow. Maybe I shouldn't be second guessing myself when they are only at two hundred.
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    The photo is gone from the very first post showing the destruction it did to the thread starter's deer. Can someone repost it or mods fix so I can see it? Thanks
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    I tinkered a lot to find an alloy that would hold the speed and pressures for a couple of small caliber cartridges and still expand without breaking up .
    30 cal , 200 gr 197-199 remaining .610 dia , impact speed in powdered dg clay approximately 1700 fps .
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    I have a picture of a "properly" constructed exit hole from a way down loaded 264 WM down to a fiesty 6.555 and I'm not crazy about the foot sized hole .

    I know that a big hole leaks .
    If a bullet expands in addition to flat point shock then more of the energy is put in the target .
    Bigger holes leak more than smaller holes .
    If a smaller caliber makes a bigger hole it's a success .

    If it wrecks more meat than you think it should slow it down or cast it harder or softer or tougher . These are the beauties of the self cast bullet over a commercial cast or jacketed or monolithic copper/brass etc . We can pick and choose shape , weight , MV , terminal proformance , and many other points .
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    "know that a big hole leaks .
    If a bullet expands in addition to flat point shock then more of the energy is put in the target .
    Bigger holes leak more than smaller holes .
    If a smaller caliber makes a bigger hole it's a success .

    If it wrecks more meat than you think it should slow it down or cast it harder or softer or tougher . These are the beauties of the self cast bullet over a commercial cast or jacketed or monolithic copper/brass etc . We can pick and choose shape , weight , MV , terminal proformance , and many other points ."

    All the mental masturbation and racetrack reasoning that goes on at times on this forum, and it's just as simple as that,,,,,,,.
    More "This is what happened when I,,,,," and less "What would happen if I,,,,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpkunz View Post
    I took a muley in the Ft. Peck area of Montana at 883 yards with a Hornady 143 grain ELD-X using my 6.5 Creedmoor....just keep in mind the limitations and work within those bounds so your harvest is done ethically.
    Hornady's ballistic calculator says 880 ft lbs at that distance with a max charge. I'm guessing little or no bullet expansion. Kudos for your long range work, but I'm thinking the vast majority of hunters are taking big game much closer.
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    DEAD THREAD...... RESURRECTED!

    Any link to the OP's photo that was the subject of all this discussion?

    I'm curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeks View Post
    DEAD THREAD...... RESURRECTED!

    Any link to the OP's photo that was the subject of all this discussion?

    I'm curious.
    Photobucket ate it.
    Missing the target is not the worst thing you can do.
    Not taking the shot is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by runfiverun View Post
    why would you shoot an animal almost 900 yds away.
    was he watching you with binoculars?
    Why? Advanced stage of egotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeks View Post
    DEAD THREAD...... RESURRECTED!

    Any link to the OP's photo that was the subject of all this discussion?

    I'm curious.
    I believe that picture is long gone but I do remember when it was posted, from what I remember the front shoulders were torn to bits and much meat destroyed. I think the OP proved his point that cast is a better killer but maybe a little too much of a good thing. Regards Stephen

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    That is what I recall as well, OP said he should dial it down a bit for less meat destruction. But later he took his ball and bat and went home.
    I give loading advice based on my actual results in factory rifles with standard chambers, twist rates and basic accurizing.
    My goals for using cast boolits are lots of good, cheap, and reasonably accurate shooting, while avoiding overly tedious loading processes.
    The BHN Deformation Formula, and why I don't use it.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
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