Modern Bond , 30 cal., 190 gr. Plain base

[Ben]

I've been enjoying my Modern Bond , 30 cal., 190 gr. Spire plain base mold that I bought from HARRYMPOPE (George ) recently.




I've shot some pretty impressive groups ( for plain based bullets ) at 50 yards.

Here's 20 rounds fired at 50 yards :



Today, I thought that it was time to move on out to 100 yards and do more testing with this bullet and load that shot so well at 50 yds.

I thought that the bullet performed well at 100 yards , ( see target below ) considering it is a plain based bullet.



While I was at it, I tested the bullet on dry seasoned oak. I was curious as to the penetration capabilities of the 190 spire plain based bullet propelled by 7.8 grs. of International Clays at 120 yards.





The load shot completely through the seasoned oak ! !

[littlejack]

Hey Ben:
That is a fine lookin boolit, nice mould. Very nice groups also, good shootin. That is some good penatration.
Jack

[I'll Make Mine]

I was thinking that was a light load until you showed the penetration. Should cover you for whitetail, hogs, and whatever else you might hunt in Alabama...

[Ben]

I'll Make Mine, littlejack :

At 120 yards, I figured these cast bullets would go into the wood and I'd look on the entrance side of the oak and see the base of the bullet up inside the wood maybe 1/2 or 3/4 of an inch into the wood.

Not so........I think the moral to the story is.....Our cast loads ( even with powder charges as small as 7.8 grs. of International Clays ) probably have quite a bit more power and penetration than we might at 1st glance have given them credit for.

Ben

[I'll Make Mine]

If it weren't a waste of good meat, I'd suggest repeating the penetration test with a nice country ham or a good sized pot roast (at room temperature). That's the real test, after all; penetration in wood isn't necessarily the same as penetration in flesh.

[Ben]

True !

However, seasoned white oak is tough !
If these long spire points can penetrate something like this white oak log, I have my doubts that a white tail deer will stop one of them.

Ben

[HARRYMPOPE]

You are not far off the old 32-40 in power and it killed many of deer dead enough.

George

[Ben]

George,

I've had loads of fun with this mold.

Many thanks for selling the mold to me.

Ben

[Morton]

I was with Ben when he shot the oak block. I sure don't want to be that slab of meat!!!!

[Ben]

AAAhhhhh !

1st post .....Welcome Bryan ! !
Make yourself at home.
You'll learn a lot from these guys !

P.S.

Bryan won't tell you guys, but he's a pretty good shot himself.
He wanted to shoot his Winchester 1917 today and be certain that he is ready for opening day of deer season - - - I'd say by the looks of the target that HE IS READY :



Thanks,

Ben

[Morton]

You've already taught me alot and i hope to learn alot more. Thanks for letting me hang around and helping me

[Ben]

You've already taught me alot and i hope to learn alot more. Thanks for letting me hang around and helping me

Bryan,

I've had just as much ( or more ) fun as you.

Ben

[HARRYMPOPE]

George,

I've had loads of fun with this mold.

Many thanks for selling the mold to me.

Ben

I felt guilty for owning three of them.i still have two 2 cavities that i tandem cast with.They must have been cut the same day as i cant tell any difference in their weight or dimensions.

George

[303Guy]

It takes a lot of wood to stop a boolit, specially one that doesn't expand on impact. It looks almost as though those boolits were tipping over when they exited that wood block. That from what looks like lead smear on the exit side. They won't tip in flesh I'd think. It looks as though the boolits were tipped by the grain which is kinda not unexpected.

I do have a question for the deer shooters and that is how effective on deer is a non-expanding boolit with high penetration?

[Ben]

I do have a question for the deer shooters and that is how effective on deer is a non-expanding boolit with high penetration?


I really have no plans of shooting a deer with this bullet.
This is ( for me ) a good " off season " practice round.

Ben

[Marlin Junky]

I do have a question for the deer shooters and that is how effective on deer is a non-expanding boolit with high penetration?


I really have no plans of shooting a deer with this bullet.
This is ( for me ) a good " off season " practice round.

Ben

Deer? Heck, what about varmints?

What if this design incorporated a .175" meplat??

MJ

[Ben]

I really have no plans of shooting a deer with this bullet.

With that said, if I was hungry and all I had was this bullet, I'd shoot the deer right in the side of the head with it.

With accuracy like this, I wouldn't hesitate :
Here's 20 rounds fired at 50 yards :



Ben

[HARRYMPOPE]

thinking about it i believe swede nelson drew a plot up for me a year or so ago.he might still have it.

[TXGunNut]

Welcome, Bryan! Nice shooting.
First I've heard of "New Bond". What's the story, Ben? George?

[Ben]

TXGunNut

I've never head of a " New Bond " either.
I've re - read the post, I don't see " New Bond " mentioned by anyone ?

My mold is a Modern Bond , most likely made in the mid to late 40's.

Ben